Monte Camino

Discussion in 'Italy' started by Paul Reed, Mar 4, 2008.

  1. Phaethon

    Phaethon Historian

    My copy of no dishobourable name has taken a bit of a bashing recently, but it has a section on the 3rd Bn Coldstream's actions on Camino. So I've scanned the pictures and slapped them blow.

    http://www.ww2talk.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=82&pictureid=1547

    http://www.ww2talk.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=82&pictureid=1549

    http://www.ww2talk.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=82&pictureid=1548


    http://www.ww2talk.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=82&pictureid=1546
     
  2. Phaethon

    Phaethon Historian

  3. Phaethon

    Phaethon Historian

  4. sol

    sol Very Senior Member

    British Troops on Monte Camino

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    British Soldiers Hugging Side of Hill, Monte Camino

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    British soldiers searching a house in Colle, a village on Monte Camino

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  5. GeeForce

    GeeForce Junior Member

    Does anyone know if the memorial plaque is still on Camino?
     
  6. Owen

    Owen -- --- -.. MOD

    Does anyone know if the memorial plaque is still on Camino?
    I believe it is.
    See link on my post #5 on this thread.
     
  7. Drew5233

    Drew5233 #FuturePilot Patron 1940 Obsessive

    Great pictures !

    You can't help but feel for those chaps 'dug in' on the side of the hill.
     
  8. monte-camino

    monte-camino Junior Member

    I'm currently kicking myself as I forgot that D.A.S. Adair , 6GG , was killed on Camino and is buried in Cassino War Cemetery.
    CWGC :: Casualty Details

    Son of Maj-Gen Adair, GOC, Guards Armoured Division.
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    Here is a view of Monte Camino overlooking the hamlet of Mieli, where we found the scorpion, the mule track leads up from there too.

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    If I remember correctly, the Scots Guards went up from Mieli to aid 6 GG.
    The Grenadiers history also mentions Mieli.




    Here is another wartime photo of Camino.
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    Hello OWEN,
    could you please tell me where the above wartime photo is taken from (which book?) and also do you know if is it available at the Imperial War Museum?
     
  9. Owen

    Owen -- --- -.. MOD

    From
    NICOLSON, THE GRENADIER GUARDS IN THE WAR OF 1939-1945. Volume 2, Aldershot, U.K: Gale and Polden, 1949.
    Must be at IWM though not online.
     
  10. monte-camino

    monte-camino Junior Member

    Hello sol,
    about the 3 photos regarding Monte Camino that you've posted... the first 2 I know that are taken from Blumenson's "Salerno to Cassino". But what about the last one (british soldiers... colle)? Can you tell me where is it from? Thanks.
     
  11. monte-camino

    monte-camino Junior Member

    Does anyone know if the memorial plaque is still on Camino?
    Yes, it is still there (photo taken last february).
     

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  12. monte-camino

    monte-camino Junior Member

    Hello everyone,
    Can anyone tell me the source of the attached photo (book, IWM, other...)?
     

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  13. Crosbygirl

    Crosbygirl Junior Member

    MY name is Ann and I am a new comer to this forum. I am writing a book on the memoirs of italy Star Veterans and one of my Veterans was at the Battle for Monte Camino., he was in the Scots Guards.

    He writes.....


    "We continued to move North through the small, poor mountain villages. These were places like Teano, Calabritto and Roccasmofina, all held by the Germans who were dug in and therefore the fighting was fierce but after some difficulties the area was taken. From here we made our way to Monte Camino which we took with just one Brigade. The top of the mountain was very stony and we had to build stone Sangers to protect ourselves. The Germans were on higher ground so during the day we had to keep our heads down and even on a moonlit night we had to be careful as we could have very easily have been hit by German snipers if we had showed ourselves. As there was only one Brigade it was impossible to hold the mountain and after a week we were told to withdraw. Before we did this we had to puncture all cans of food and other supplies that had been brought up the mule track by the Ox and Bucks Regiment. We then had to throw it all down the mountainside to prevent it falling into the hands of the enemy.


    We came down the mountain to regroup after which two Divisions (six brigades) were sent back up the mountain. The attack took place and the mountain was re-taken and then we were told by our Intelligence Officer, that as we were on the other side of the mountain, we were to continue up the valley to take an old monastery that was reportedly only lightly held by the Germans and set up an Intelligence Post. Five of us set off but three or four hundred yards into the valley there was a tremendous mortar stonk which quickly found our range. The Intelligence Officer was mortally wounded and the other Sgt was wounded in the head. The remaining three of us crouched down behind small rocks for cover until the mortar attack ceased. The forward company had observed the attack and sent out a platoon to escort us back. Shortly after this I was taken to the 15th General Hospital in Capua where I was diagnosed with Yellow Jaundice. After a spell in the hospital I rejoined the Battalion who were, by that time, north of the Carigliano River.

    The winter of 1943/44 was very wet and when we dug trenches these filled up with water. At the end of the trench we cut in a step so that we had somewhere to sit with our helmets and gas capes over us. It was a very hard slog up through the mountains until we arrived at Monte Sole in June 1944. It would be here between from the end of September until 5th October, in reprisal of the local support given to the Partisans and the Resistance Movement that the German SS systematically had massacred nearly a thousand Italian Villagers, many would be women and children and five Catholic priests".

    Our group of Veterans were going to Northern Italy in September but we had to cancel due to not enough bodies on seat to justify high costs of coach hire.

    Look forward to reading further posts.
    Ann

    Paul - were you the same Paul Reed who might have come with us?
     
  14. sol

    sol Very Senior Member

    Hello sol,
    about the 3 photos regarding Monte Camino that you've posted... the first 2 I know that are taken from Blumenson's "Salerno to Cassino". But what about the last one (british soldiers... colle)? Can you tell me where is it from? Thanks.

    I'm sorry I didn't answered on your question before I only now notice it. I found it here:

    This is very very interesting.: Color photos of WW II - Part 3

    One more photo:

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    The 8th Battalion (The Royal Fusiliers) on Monte Camino - 7 December, 1943

    From here:
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  15. Rotherfield

    Rotherfield Senior Member

    Interesting - wonder if the monument is still there?
    Hi Paul
    I have sent the same message to Owen, in that I have visited Monte Camino every year for the last 20 years and have some very good friends in Rocca d Evandro, we normally stay at a small Pensione (Pizzaria) in Mignano on the old Highway 6 opposite the railway stn, but 3 years ago a chap called Franco opened up an old Farm house which has 5 bedroom all en suite in Rocca and charges 20 euro's B+B per night per person.
    Sadly thge old monument which we built on 819 was destroyed 2 years ago by the owner of the land, 819 is now private property, last year we built a new cairn just above te Hamlet of formella, you can view this if you click on "testimonianze" and then click on the names, I am Mike Sterling if you click on my name it will bring up the tribute to my Uncle his story tells what happened scxroll down and you will see the new Cairn, Ivan Colver has still to submit his account to the web designer "Peppe Giovini" Ivan was the other radio op with my uncle when he was killed on 819.
    I am in the process of arranging another visit in September 7th - 14th if you are interested or know of any other then you would be most welcome to join us.
    My e mail address is mike at kryscon.fsnet dot co dot uk
    As you can imagine I have plenty of photo's plus 2 accounts written by two young Lts of the 6th G.G. which make very interesting reading
    Regards
    Mike Sterling
     
  16. Tommygunn

    Tommygunn Member

    Mike,
    Where should we be clicking to see the information you mention, you havn't posted up a link?

    Tom.
     
  17. Owen

    Owen -- --- -.. MOD

    Mike,
    Where should we be clicking to see the information you mention, you havn't posted up a link?

    Tom.
    It's not on the Internet.
    Mike kindly posted me a very full A4 envelope full of goodies.
     
  18. Rotherfield

    Rotherfield Senior Member

    This looks like the mule track used to get up and down to the positions on the feature.

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    Caption: Monte Camino November - December 1943: Stretcher bearers work under fire and in heavy rain to bring casualties down the side of Monte Camino.

    The approx GE location of this is: 41°21'28.02"N 13°56'56.54"E

    Hi Paul
    Sorry this is so late in answereing your query, I have been off line for a couple of years, to answer your question about the picture this is indeed the Mule Track this picture was taken during the second battle or just after it as there were no photographers or war correspondents there during the first battle a Month earlier.
    To find the track first go to the small Village of Mielie, park your car then walk up the hill between the houses, the large pink house on your left was the HQ for the German commander of the area, keep going until the road finishes which then leads on to a narrow track on your roght you will see a large derelict House this is where the survivors of the first battle slept after they came down, the rack leads on sti;ll going up until it opens up to reveal the mule track with Spandau ridge on your right and the cliffs of Bare Arse ridge on your left if you want to just keep climbing up and up the track whch eventually brings you to Point 727 on top of Bare Arse.
    The caves mentioned in Miele are no longer there they were blown up in the mid sixty's and used for hard core for the roads to be built from Miele to Calabritto
    Regards
    Mike
     
  19. Rotherfield

    Rotherfield Senior Member

    Hi everybody
    Re the question about Bare Back Ridge, yes it was called Bare Arse Ridge by the men of the 6th Btn Grenadier Guards, because that is what it looks like when you stand below it, I have plenty of photo's taken in the past 20 years of the whole area pluse written accounts by two young Lts of the 6th, however I do not know how to transfer these pictures or info onto this page, can anybody help me? please be aware that I am not up to scratch with these new fangled machines called computers!!!! being a young 71 years of age
    Regards
    Mike Sterling
     
  20. Tommygunn

    Tommygunn Member

    Do you have a scanner or a printer that is capable of doing scans?
    Failing that do you have a relative in close proximity that could possibly assist?

    Tom.
     

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