More German tanks. Alamein?

Discussion in 'North Africa & the Med' started by maisiefosse, Feb 24, 2015.

  1. maisiefosse

    maisiefosse Member

    z 150mm.jpg z ex-russ used by germans.jpg z germ infantry carrier.jpg z Germ med.jpg z Mk 3 Panzer.jpg

    Thanks for the info on the previous photos. The next batch have some writing on the back, but my question is whether or not you think these are probably after Alamein. I'm using photos in with the text from the diaries, and I want to make sure the photos are correctly positioned.
    1.150mm
    2 ex-Russian used by Germans
    3 German infantry carrier
    4 German medium
    5 Mk 3 Panzer
     
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  2. enzus59

    enzus59 Member

    Hi,

    photo number 4 is an Italian tank. It may by an M13/40 or a
    Semovente M40 75/18 or a Command Tank.
    If you will post it with high resolution it will be possibile
    find other elements.

    Enzus
     
  3. maisiefosse

    maisiefosse Member

    Sorry Enzus, but my scanner is relatively basic.
     
  4. enzus59

    enzus59 Member

    600 dpi?
     
  5. Andreas

    Andreas Working on two books

    Some rare stuff there. :)

    1) The same 150mm WW1 howitzer as in the other picture you posted, but this time the whole battery!
    2) That's a Marder tank destroyer, Russian 76.2mm gun on a pre-war Czech tank chassis (T-38 or T-35)
    3) More likely a gun crew carrier/prime mover, unarmoured
    4) Scrap, but certainly Italian scrap.
    5) A Mk. 3 Special with the higher-performance 50L60 gun

    All the best

    Andreas
     
  6. KevinT

    KevinT Senior Member

    I didn't know Marder's were used in the desert. New one on me.
     
  7. enzus59

    enzus59 Member

    Marder were been used with Afrikakorps as Marder I with 47cm gun and Marder III with 76.2 gun.

    Enzus
     
  8. Andreas

    Andreas Working on two books

    I think you mean Panzerjaeger I (4.7cm captured Czech Boehler gun on Panzer I chassis). The Marder I was on a Lorraine carrier chassis with a 75mm gun.

    http://www.lonesentry.com/ordnance/marder-i-french-chassis.html

    Not sure that ever made it to Africa, but this one in any case is a Marder on a Czech chassis.

    All the best

    Andreas
     
  9. chrisgrove

    chrisgrove Senior Member

    The Marder in this thread is certainly on a Pz 38(t) chassis, not Pz 35(t), and will be a Marder III. The russian 76.2cm PaK36(r) was rechambered to take the PaK 40 cartridge. Reportedly, 66 of these vehicles were sent to North Africa.

    Chris
     
  10. pminotti

    pminotti Junior Member

    Numer 2 is one of these.


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  11. pminotti

    pminotti Junior Member

    N 4 is Italian. Sure an ammo explosion. Probably a Semovente.
     
  12. Andreas

    Andreas Working on two books

    Given that it is a very tight picture, the turret could lie just outside it. Impossible to tell in my view.

    All the best

    Andreas
     
  13. pminotti

    pminotti Junior Member

    I think that a gun tank loaded with 47/32 AP rounds had far less explosive on board than a Semovente with HE shells.

    For the same reason we can exclude Semovente Comando.
     
  14. Andreas

    Andreas Working on two books

    You are presuming that this destruction results from 'cooking off' of on-board ammo. While that is of course possible, given the scale of the destruction, I think it is more likely that the vehicle was blown up by the Royal Engineers. This was pretty standard practice I believe.

    In the end it's impossible to tell.

    All the best

    Andreas
     
  15. pminotti

    pminotti Junior Member

    Another element.

    Gun Tank have the Riva Calzoni turret engine.

    It should be here

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    But there is nothing, only the intact trasmission shaft.



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    hoping to be of interest.
     
  16. von Poop

    von Poop Adaministrator Admin

    The centre half-track appears to be an SdKfz7 (8t), with a 'standard' body.
     

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