<<<<<The recent discovery that at least six Dutch and British warships sunk in 1942 had disappeared from the seabed caused shock and dismay in Europe, and demands for answers.>>>> Jakarta to help probe disappearance of Dutch WWII shipwrecks deemed war graves | The Japan Times Sad news indeed. Tony www.asiawargraves.com
A very detailed, and equally, very sad report about our sunken warships in Asia: The world's biggest grave robbery: Asia’s disappearing WWII shipwrecks Makes you wonder where they will move to next - once they have removed all the Asian wrecks? Tony Buckley
The world's biggest grave robbery: Asia’s disappearing WWII shipwrecks The world's biggest grave robbery: Asia’s disappearing WWII shipwrecks
http://ww2talk.com/index.php?threads/mystery-over-ww2-shipwrecks-vanished-from-java-sea-bed.68147/ TD
Came across this article in the Guardian today. Apparently sunken WW2 era ships are being desecrated by scrap gangs. The world's biggest grave robbery: Asia’s disappearing WWII shipwrecks
I see there have been a number of threads posted today which I hadn’t picked up on. Feel free to delete or merge this one.
Unfortunately I doubt anything will be done to police these wrecks and change this. Go through a Commonwealth War cemetery with a JCB and the country and Government would be in uproar. Do the equivalent to a shipwreck and after a few strong words it all fades from the public view and continues as before.
Ministry of Defence condemns 'desecration' of Royal Navy wrecks 26 May 2023 The Ministry of Defence has condemned the "desecration" of maritime military graves after reports scavengers had targeted two World War Two wrecks. A vessel, thought to be Chinese, has been seen at the site the British ships were sunk, off the coast of Malaysia. Some 842 British sailors died when HMS Prince of Wales and HMS Repulse were torpedoed by Japanese aircraft. The attack on 10 December 1941 is seen as one of the worst disasters in British naval history. It took place just three days after the attacks on the US fleet in Pearl Harbour, and two days after Japan invaded South East Asia. The Prince of Wales was one of the Royal Navy's most important battleships but it, and the battlecruiser HMS Repulse, had been sent to sea without any aircraft to protect them. The ships are resting on the bed of the South China Sea, 60 miles (100km) off the east coast of Malaysia. A Malaysian diver, Hazz Zain, told the New Straits Times newspaper this week local fishermen had spotted a salvage vessel at the location of the shipwrecks last month and shared photographs with her. The "grab dredger" seen in pictures supplied to Ms Zain has two large cranes mounted on it and is said to be equipped with metal cutters that can be lowered to the sea floor to shear off and lift sections of steel and aluminium. Ms Zain told the paper she had alerted both the Malaysian authorities and the British High Commission in Kuala Lumpur about the activities of the dredger. A spokesperson for the UK Ministry of Defence in London said: "We strongly condemn any desecration of any maritime military grave." They added: "Where we have evidence of desecration of the wrecks of Royal Navy vessels, we will take appropriate action, including working with regional governments and partners to prevent inappropriate activity at such sites." The New Straits Times newspaper reported the dredger was the Chinese registered Chuan Hong 68. It said the vessel had unloaded items recovered from HMS Prince of Wales, including a cannon and old artillery shells, at a private jetty in Malaysia. Police had seized some of the pieces and were now investigating. In 2017 Ms Zain met the then Prince Charles when he visited Malaysia and showed him video and still pictures showing how the wreckage of the HMS Prince Charles had already been damaged by scavengers. Following that the then UK Defence Secretary Gavin Williamson said the UK would work with governments in Malaysia and Indonesia to investigate claims that up to six British warships had been plundered. Prof Dominic Tweddle, director general of the National Museum of the Royal Navy, this week said: "We are distressed and concerned at the apparent vandalism for personal profit of HMS Prince of Wales and HMS Repulse. They are designated war graves." The museum said Winston Churchill had, in his memoirs written after the war, recalled the moment he was informed about the sinking of the British ships and the significance of the setback to the allies. "In all the war, I never received a more direct shock," he said. "As I turned over and twisted in bed the full horror of the news sank in upon me. "There were no British or American ships in the Indian Ocean or the Pacific except the American survivors of Pearl Harbour, who were hastening back to California. Across this vast expanse of waters, Japan was supreme, and we everywhere were weak and naked."
Glad this got poked. Was looking for it last week. Echoing Idler's thoughts a few years back, I struggle to join the new outrage being shared across various soshul meejas recently. This thread alone 7 years old, and TBH I'm surprised there's much left anyway. How 'distressed and concerned' can anyone be, given it's been going on for so long, unless they weren't paying any attention at all to the activities of scrappers until someone decided to build some outrage. Is it wrong? Yes. Can you do anything about it? Nope.
The Hofuku Maru was a wreck afloat before it sank off the coast of Luzon. It is quite possible that it has been disturbed. Hofuku Maru Never forget.
I know about the Scapa Flow sourced low background steel but this is new to me. Therefore, World War II-era shipwrecks in and near the relatively shallow Java Sea and western South China Sea are often illegally scavenged for low-background steel.[4] Low-background steel - Wikipedia
British second world war shipwrecks in Java Sea destroyed by illegal scavenging A preliminary report from an expedition to document sunken ships, seen by the Guardian, shows that the wrecks of HMS Exeter, a 175m heavy cruiser, and destroyer HMS Encounter have been almost totally removed. ... A 100m destroyer, HMS Electra, had also been scavenged, the report found, although a “sizeable section” of the wreck remained. The 91m US submarine Perch, whose entire crew were captured by the Japanese, had been totally removed, the report said.