Need help - who is this Allied soldier KIA?

Discussion in 'NW Europe' started by alberk, Apr 1, 2021.

  1. alberk

    alberk Well-Known Member

    Hello, this comes from a list of British war dead collated by German authorities after Varsity/Plunder and after the war had ended. The man I cannot identify is No. 80 on the list: "Glen E St. John" (or whatever his name could have been). His service number does not yield anything on the CWGC website, it must have been corrupted in the copying process. The list is a real mess, many numbers seem to have been corrupted, the people who typed this did not understand what thy were copying. One cannot even tell for sure what his surname was ... I suppose it was St. John.
    Can anyone make anything of this?
    Bildschirmfoto 2021-04-01 um 19.45.12.png

    He was found in the Mehrhoog area, outside DZ A (Operation Varsity). So he could have been with 3 Para Bde - or with 5 Bde and landed short of DZ B. Alternatively, he could have been with 44 RTR or a unit of 15th Scottish Division - these advanced through the area on March 25th/26th.
    The people who contributed to the list wrote down whatever was written (probably embossed on metal strips) on the crosses placed by by the British Graves Registration Unit.
     
  2. travers1940

    travers1940 Well-Known Member

    38013526 is a service number issued by The King's Regiment before August 1942 when the General Service Corps numbers came in to use.
     
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  3. alberk

    alberk Well-Known Member

    Thank you, travers1940 - but does this mean the number does not work when entered in the CWGC database?
     
  4. Tricky Dicky

    Tricky Dicky Don'tre member

    Possible
    UK, Army Roll of Honour, 1939-1945
    Name: John St John
    Given Initials: J F
    Rank: Serjeant
    Death Date: 24 Mar 1945
    Number: 14641867
    Birth Place: Manchester
    Residence: Manchester
    Branch at Enlistment: Infantry
    Theatre of War: Western Europe Campaign, 1944/45
    Regiment at Death: Gordon Highlanders
    Branch at Death: Infantry

    The only other John surname in that database that could fit is

    Name: Evan John
    Given Initials: E D
    Rank: Private
    Death Date: 11 Apr 1945
    Number: 3968772
    Birth Place: Brecknock
    Residence: Glamorgan
    Branch at Enlistment: Infantry
    Theatre of War: Western Europe Campaign, 1944/45
    Regiment at Death: Welch Regiment
    Branch at Death: Infantry


    TD

    Have to say those service numbers look wrong to me - too long


    Looking at the man above - these 3 are the closest possibles but none of them are shown as Airborne, so it might be a case or problems with the source data

    Edward E W Tawn Lance Corporal Cambridgeshire 6 Apr 1945 Western Europe Campaign, 1944/45

    Richard R Tawn Bombardier Middlesborough 25 Mar 1945 Western Europe Campaign, 1944/45

    Richard R G Town Serjeant Berkshire 20 Jun 1945 Western Europe Campaign, 1944/45
     
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  5. Tricky Dicky

    Tricky Dicky Don'tre member

    Noting again the man above St John

    UK, Army Roll of Honour, 1939-1945
    Name: Richard Tawn
    Given Initials: R
    Rank: Bombardier
    Death Date: 25 Mar 1945
    Number: 14508801
    Birth Place: Middlesborough
    Residence: Middlesborough
    Branch at Enlistment: Royal Artillery
    Theatre of War: Western Europe Campaign, 1944/45
    Regiment at Death: Royal Artillery
    Branch at Death: Royal Artillery

    But is shown as service number 1450 88091 on your list

    Might help guide to St John

    TD
     
  6. travers1940

    travers1940 Well-Known Member

    Almost all men kept their original number throughout their army career. GSC numbers were issued to new recruits only from July 1942. He should appear at CWGC with his original number.
     
  7. Owen

    Owen -- --- -.. MOD

    No its not its too long with 8 numbers.
    It ought to have 7 if it was
    The King's Regiment 3757001 - 3846000
     
  8. Guy Hudson

    Guy Hudson Looker-upper

    38013526 T/Sgt. Olen E. ST JOHN
    U.S. Army service number, enlisted at Fort Bliss, El Paso, Texas on 31st October 1941
    He originated from Sierra County, New Mexico, born in 1917
    Possibly 17th Airborne if he is a Operation Varsity casualty.
    Sierra County, New Mexico, WW2 Casualties
     
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  9. travers1940

    travers1940 Well-Known Member

    Apologies should have seen this. Lost in dreams of those easter eggs !
     
  10. AB64

    AB64 Senior Member

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  11. alberk

    alberk Well-Known Member

    Guy Hudson - great job! He's American! And thanks to all others, too!

    T/Sgt Olen E. St John was a Crew Chief on a C-47 of 14 Sq, 61st Troop Carrier Group.

    His aircraft (serial number 42-93798) was shot down after dropping troops of 3 Para Bde on DZ A.
     
  12. alberk

    alberk Well-Known Member

    AB64 - thanks. As you see, I immediately recognized him. I recently made list of US transport aircraft lost in Varsity...
     
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    Guy Hudson Looker-upper

  14. alberk

    alberk Well-Known Member

    This is what it says in the Missing Air Crew Report:
    "Transported men and materials of the Canadian 1st Paratroop Regiment to a drop zone at

    Wesel, Germany on Operation ‘Varsity’ 24Mar45; having dropped the paratroopers, as the

    plane exited the DZ it was to make a left bank to turn and head back to base. As the aircraft

    went into the bank, it flew into what looked like a stream of tracer fire and was seen to start

    puffing smoke from around the left wing. Shortly after, there was smoke seen coming from the

    cockpit. The plane never came out of the bank and quickly lost altitude. The left wing hit a

    house as it neared the ground tearing it off and the rest of the aircraft hit the ground and

    exploded. All aboard the plane were killed." (MACR 13507)
     
  15. alberk

    alberk Well-Known Member

  16. alberk

    alberk Well-Known Member

    42-93798-cropped.jpg
    Here's a better image.
     
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  17. alberk

    alberk Well-Known Member

    I am always impressed by the help I get on this site!
     
  18. jonheyworth

    jonheyworth Senior Member

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  19. AB64

    AB64 Senior Member

    I'd never have got it without Guy Hudson bringing the US into the equation, my quick glance at British records hadn't turned anything up so I was about to move on - it is satisfying when we can all add our little piece to the jigsaw
     
  20. David Woods

    David Woods Active Member

    3602406 Pte. Adam Keddy W.I.A. 18.08.1944
    Durham Light Infantry
    3602406 Pte. Adam Keddy K.I.A. 27.03.1945
    2nd Bn. The Glasgow Highlanders
    Highland Light Infantry (City Of Glasgow Regiment)

    14508801 A/L/Bdr. Richard Tawn K.I.A. 25.03.1945
    53rd Worcestershire Yeomanry

    T10685239 Dvr. A. C. Shelton M.I.A. 24.03.1945
    Royal Army Service Corps
    att. 224th Parachute Field Ambulance
     
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