New member from Italy

Discussion in 'User Introductions' started by Dedalus, Oct 2, 2016.

  1. Dedalus

    Dedalus New Member

    Hi all.
    I was doing some random Google search about WW2 and the small town along the Senio river where I was born and I found a thread on this forum called "On the Senio Floodbanks" that I found extremely interesting. So I registered to thank the author of the thread.
    In general, I'm very interested in WW2, so I will definitely come here often to read and learn, and if I have anything worthwhile to say, to contribute to the discussions.
     
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  2. Owen

    Owen -- --- -.. MOD

    Welcome to the forum, nice to know other people read our ramblings.
     
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  3. bexley84

    bexley84 Well-Known Member

    Greetings Dedalus,

    My father, Edmund, served with 2 London Irish Rifles in Tunisia and Italy and was camped up at the Senio river during March 1945...not a particular pleasant time for all involved. The Regiment's history describes that time:

    "The 2nd Battalion also had a spell on the Senio flood-banks, where they were introduced to a type of warfare which had never been taught at the battle schools at home. The river was full of bends, which were helpful to both sides. At one spot it enabled a troop of Field Artillery to be deployed in such a way that the guns could be fired from the flank straight into the river with remarkable accuracy. But the bends also enabled the enemy to see everything that was going on behind our side of the banking.

    It was essentially an infantryman's war. The Germans in places were only ten yards away, and in the daytime sniping was the popular pastime. The marksmen had to be cunningly camouflaged and to fire at considerable range, otherwise they would have found difficulty in getting into position without being seen.

    Anyone who unwisely poked his head over the banking in daylight, instead of using a periscope, asked for trouble. Some never did it twice. At night there were grenade duels and machine-gun and mortar "stonks," which made life uncomfortable. The London Irish learned several good points very early. They learned not to throw grenades from established posts, but from places picked at random. They got to know, also, at what spots the German snipers fired and so avoided them.

    The Senio was sunk well below the level of the ground, and below each flood-bank was a flat shelf about ten yards wide before the final drop into the river. The London Irish held the near side of the flood-bank, but in no place were they established on the inner or river side. German posts dug well in on the inner side dominated both sides of the river.

    One such enemy post nestled in a bund, a form of flood-bank slightly higher than the rest and bulging in a semicircle from the river. The Germans felt secure in their post, and the London Irish decided it must be wiped out. A raid was carefully planned under the command of Lieutenant Salter. The only way into the bund was over the top, which was under constant enemy observation, or through a gap about fifteen yards wide in the centre. This gap was well covered by German snipers.

    So a tunnel was started into the bund at a point near where it joined the main flood-bank. The tunnel was dug very stealthily and it was found to lead into an unused enemy dug-out on the inner side of the bund. That solved the problem of hiding the tunnel opening from the vigilant Germans. The raid was planned for three o'clock in the afternoon, when it was thought the Germans might be relaxing. The operation began with twenty-five-pounder shells exploding accurately on the far flood-bank, with the intention of keeping the Germans under cover. The raiding party then filtered through the tunnel and lined the inner side of the bund and facing the German post. A covering party scaled to the top of the flood-bank and remained hidden until an assault party of a corporal, five riflemen, and two pioneers went over the top at a selected spot under the cover of a smoke-screen. Inside a minute it was all over. Five Germans were captured, one killed and several wounded. While the pioneers hurriedly searched for mines, another section dug new protective earthworks and the bund had new masters.

    For this highly successful and model action Lieutenant Salter was awarded the M.C.

    The flood-bank war had its amusing moments. Both sides introduced verbal propaganda in the other's language. The Germans frequently inquired: "Why sit on the flood-bank with your wives in England?" They obviously did not realise the ambiguity of the question. From our side the enemy were told: "Why be fools and wait to be annihilated?" They were also warned to reduce the number of stretcher-bearers they were using. We suspected that post reliefs were being carried out under the protection of the Red Cross armlet."

    When St. Patrick's Day came the 2nd Battalion was out of the line, and a parade was held at Forli. It was notable for a display by the massed pipes and drums of the Irish Brigade and also the pipes of the 1st Battalion."

    best wishes
     
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  4. Dedalus

    Dedalus New Member

    I have to admit I didn't know there were Irish troops involved in the liberation of Cotignola. We know about the New Zealanders (there's a monument to them on one of the Senio river banks) but no mention of the Irish.
    Credit to them, too.
     
  5. bexley84

    bexley84 Well-Known Member

    Kiwis, Poles, Indians, Italians and British forces acted in concert in the sector; as you know, it was a remarkable triumph of planning and execution leading to a final capitulation at the Po river at the end of April 1945. At this time, the Irish Brigade included men from London,Liverpool, Glasgow, Carmarthen, Glasgow, Brighton and Durham (amongst many places) as well as from Belfast, Enniskillen, Armagh, Cork, Limerick and Dublin etc - they weren't too particular as long as you were willing to wear a caubeen.
     

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  6. CL1

    CL1 116th LAA and 92nd (Loyals) LAA,Royal Artillery

    Welcome to the forum
     
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  7. Ron Goldstein

    Ron Goldstein WW2 Veteran WW2 Veteran

    Benvenuto Dedalus !

    Ron
     
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  8. 4jonboy

    4jonboy Daughter of a 56 Recce

    Hello and welcome to the forum Dedalus.

    Lesley
     
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  9. vitellino

    vitellino Senior Member

    Welcome from Umbria where the Irish Brigade was in action too.

    Vitellino
     
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  10. Smudger Jnr

    Smudger Jnr Our Man in Berlin

    Dedalus,
    Hello and welcome to the forum.
    My late father served in Italy with the 4th Reconnaissance Corps of the 4th British Infantry Division.
    I was in Italy this Easter taking in some of my father's journey through Tuscany to Florence.
    Regards
    Tom
     
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