Novice needs help with Grandads service records 119/268 & 92nd

Discussion in 'Service Records' started by celebman, Jun 24, 2018.

  1. celebman

    celebman Member

    Fred Slater records2.jpg First off can I say what a wonderful website this is and I am so glad I found it.

    I have been researching my late grandads service records and have more or less found it really difficult to work out, I received his records from the MOD and was blown away with the information i received as i wasn't expecting much. He didnt talk about his his time during the war and I was only a child when i started asking questions after a ww2 lesson at school but he didnt say much other than he was on the anti aircraft guns and he didnt leave the UK

    His name was Fred Slater and from what I can work out he was in the 119th/ 268 RA TA (again not sure if i have the right way around) then later on he was in the 92nd FD RA TA

    I can see the spent time in the BNAF, MEF, CEF, Egypt, Sicily and possibly Italy (he has the Italy star)

    If you guys could take a look at the attached record could you throw any light on it? I would appreciate any information you could give me, it would be nice to know where he was stationed as the BNAF, MEF, CEF ect are very vague

    Thank you in advance Fred Slater records2.jpg
  2. Giberville

    Giberville Junior Member

    Think 92nd Field Regt were part of 5th Division. Not anti aircraft but field artillery with 25pdrs. Their badge was a Y for Yorkshire. They took part in the invasion of Sicily in 1943. Think your relative was playing down his role. You need the war diary from the National Archives at Kew next...
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  3. Tricky Dicky

    Tricky Dicky Don'tre member

    From another thread

    MEF = Egypt and desert to Tunis - BNAF = Algiers to Tunis - CMF = Italy and Balkans

    Do you have other parts of the service record you could upload, cant see his medal entitlement for example which helps identify theatres he was active in

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  4. celebman

    celebman Member

  5. celebman

    celebman Member

    Thank you, now I am even more curious, I will look into the National Archives
  6. celebman

    celebman Member

    I do have other parts of the record just let me know what i should upload, Thank you for your help
  7. CL1

    CL1 116th LAA and 92nd (Loyals) LAA,Royal Artillery Patron

    there are members here who can copy diaries at a reasonable rate if you cant get there
  8. Tricky Dicky

    Tricky Dicky Don'tre member

  9. Tricky Dicky

    Tricky Dicky Don'tre member

    What did he do/where was he after July 1944 - especially as he has a France/Germany Star, so was in NW Europe, which isnt on his records that have been uploaded

    So perhaps upload them all

  10. celebman

    celebman Member

    this is the next sheet, I will scan the remaining sheets tomorrow it will be better than using my phone fred.jpg
  11. celebman

    celebman Member

    fred3.jpg and then there's this
  12. Tricky Dicky

    Tricky Dicky Don'tre member

    Can you scan them in as full sheets, trying to read these parts is difficult - thanks

    The criteria for being awarded a France/Germany Star is :
    The France and Germany Star is awarded for operational service in France, Belgium, Luxembourg, The Netherlands or Germany between 6 June 1944 and 8 May 1945.
    To apply for the France and Germany Star, you must have:
    1 day of operational service in the army
    1 day of operational service as ground crew in the RAF
    1 operational sortie as aircrew in the RAF
    1 day afloat in operational areas of the North Sea in the Royal Navy (provided service was directly in support of land operations)
    The colours of the ribbon represent the national colours of the United Kingdom, France and The Netherlands.

  13. Giberville

    Giberville Junior Member

    5th Division is one of those Divs that got everywhere - India, Iraq, Syria, Egypt, Sicily, Italy (Anzio), finally North West Europe, hence the France and Germany Star I guess. Always interested to see any Royal Artillery photos (92 Field Regt RA) if you have them?
  14. Pat Atkins

    Pat Atkins Patron Patron

    He served with 92nd Field Regiment as part of 21st Army Group in North-west Europe from 4th March 1945, which would qualify him for the F&G Star.
  15. minden1759

    minden1759 Senior Member

    Each Infantry Division had three Field Regiments Royal Artillery in direct support - they went wherever the Division went in the world. 92 Regt RA was one of the three that supported 5 Infantry Division.

    5 Infantry Division were part of X (British) Corps at the crossing of the Garigliano on 17 Jan 44 where the Division were tasked with securing the Minturno-Tufo Ridge. When Anzio went badly wrong in Feb 44, the Division was sent to prop up the beachhead and stayed there until the breakout on 23 May 44.

    I was guiding a group on the Garigliano and then at Anzio this week looking at 5 Infantry Division.


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  16. celebman

    celebman Member

    so sorry for not responding sooner, sadly i have been unwell since posting my original post.

    Thank you Frank for your very interesting comment, where would be the best place to research this in more detail?
  17. minden1759

    minden1759 Senior Member


    Start a conversation so that when I go to the Garigliano and Anzio next year, you can join the group and see everything for yourself.


  18. PackRat

    PackRat Well-Known Member

    I believe that 'S.P.P.' is Service Proficiency Pay - a pay rise after 3 years active service.

    'A&S Gp' is his release group based on his age and length of service. Here's the calculator table (thanks to Ron Goldstein):

    Age & Service Group Numbers.JPG

    Attached Files:

  19. RRTB

    RRTB 145 Fd Regt (Berkshire Yeomanry) RA

    As a slight "deviation" from the subject for which I apologise, many thanks to Ron Goldstein for having the above chart available for us. It has helped me understand the last piece of my father's war service record.

    Back to the main topic!

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  20. celebman

    celebman Member

    Thank you for the chart but I dont understand it, I can see from his sign up date and his date of birth that the chart say 25, however what does 25 mean? sorry if that sounds daft but i am still very new to all this

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