Numbers and abbreviations

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  1. daisy1942

    daisy1942 Junior Member

    Are these service numbers, or national identity numbers? If service numbers any ideas about unit? I found them on electoral rolls for Glasgow 1938.
    YSEA/10043 and YSEA/6296t

    Also can anyone tell me what Cat C means on this transcribed WW2 death record for Thomas Burke?

    (name) Burke Thomas
    (age) 29
    (born) Scotland
    (died) on or shortly after 13/2/1942
    (place) Malaya
    (cause) missing presumed dead Catagory "C"
     
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  2. Tricky Dicky

    Tricky Dicky Don'tre member

    Not British or Commonwealth service numbers

    Re Thomas Burke - it is always best to copy the document you have so that all can be read in context

    UK, Army Roll of Honour, 1939-1945
    Name: Thomas Burke
    Given Initials: T
    Rank: Private
    Death Date: 13 Jan 1942
    Number: 3324879
    Birth Place: Glasgow
    Residence: Glasgow
    Branch at Enlistment: Infantry
    Theatre of War: Malaya
    Regiment at Death: Argyll and Sutherland Highlanders (Princess Louise's)
    Branch at Death: Infantry

    TD
     
  3. daisy1942

    daisy1942 Junior Member

    Hi Tricky,
    your comment "Re Thomas Burke - it is always best to copy the document you have so that all can be read in context..." I tried! The document is too large and will not allow me to crop it. It reads across the page (in columns). I have edited and arranged the entries in a vertical column instead of a horizontal line
     
  4. Tricky Dicky

    Tricky Dicky Don'tre member

    Perhaps make 2 images (or more) and then post them - simples

    TD
     
  5. daisy1942

    daisy1942 Junior Member

    Hi Tricky I am new to this attaching idea so this may take an attempt or two.

    Thomas Burke malaya (1).png Thomas Burke malaya (1).png Thomas Burke malaya.png

    mmm wrong bit have to try and get the bottom half
    H
     
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  6. daisy1942

    daisy1942 Junior Member

    This time lucky maybe?
     

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  7. Tricky Dicky

    Tricky Dicky Don'tre member

    Have you gone to the front pages of this document to see what they specify as

    Category B - or Category C - I would assume the document would explain and I also presume they would start with Category A and go on to Category ??

    Someone asked a similar question and all the abbreviations etc where recorded in the first few pages of the book/record

    TD

    It only seems to be different categories for deaths in Malaya from the small sample I can see
     
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  8. daisy1942

    daisy1942 Junior Member

    I bought the page from Scotlands People as I was interested in this particular death. there is not an explanation on their website. O have tried previously emailing them but without success. Perhasp I should try again.

    Hazel
     
  9. Tricky Dicky

    Tricky Dicky Don'tre member

    UK, British Army and Navy Birth, Marriage and Death Records, 1730-1960 at the very front of this database they include a list to identify the 'categories' they have used to group types of death together - see image below, whoever prepared that list should have somewhere the same type of list or legend otherwise the database is partially useless as no one will understand it

    44994_adm_104_128-0002.jpg

    TD
     
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  10. Richard Lewis

    Richard Lewis Member

    Hello Hazel,

    “YSEA” looks like, as you say, a national registration number.

    They were created in the 1939 Register so I’m not sure what they are doing on a 1938 electoral roll. The number appeared on the person’s Identity Card. “Y” denotes a new number for someone who had lost their Identity Card, “S” denotes Scotland followed by the area code in which the new card was issued and a numeric sequence of between one and seven digits.

    These numbers formed the basis of later National Health numbers in 1948.

    Richard
     
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  11. daisy1942

    daisy1942 Junior Member

    LOL I messaged Scotlands People and they came back with the exact same page and referred me to TNA! Will try there.

    Hazel
     
  12. daisy1942

    daisy1942 Junior Member

    Thanks for the information Richard, this is very useful.
     
  13. dbf

    dbf Moderatrix MOD

    'Category... ' probably refers to level of evidence available for "proof of death". These classifications are most commonly seen in Missing Personnel files.

    See Casualty: 'Cat C' ...
     
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  14. daisy1942

    daisy1942 Junior Member

    Thanks dbf,

    That is very helpful. I am tracking my father in law and I have a theory. I have a record of him marrying in Glasgow that says he is on war service with RA. However, the RA have no record of him under his birth name. Dad had a cousin with a similar name to this Thomas Burke (Thomas Burt). I think he may have signed up under that name and gone to Singapore with the RA. I know he was there and how he escaped. then I have a gap in his history until he turned up in the West Indies under another name around December 1942.

    I think Dad may have "lost" his id tags as the easiest way to escape the army without actually being listed as AWOL.

    As I said, just a theory!
     
  15. daisy1942

    daisy1942 Junior Member

    Hi dbf,
    Thank you so much! I have been hunting for this information for several years. Sadly, i do not seem to be able to download it to keep for my reference in future, so have book marked the page
     
  16. daisy1942

    daisy1942 Junior Member

    Hi dbf,
    Thank you so much! I have been hunting for this information about catagory C for several years. Sadly, i do not seem to be able to download it to keep for my reference in future, so have book marked the page
     

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