Hi Harry L'Orient pens - http://ww2talk.com/forums/topic/52813-lorient-submarine-pens/?hl=%2Blorient+%2Bsubmarine+%2Bbase they also have a submarine that you can walk through TD
TR thanks for the information on Lorient sousmarine By the way, are you saying that the U Boat base is open to the public? From what I have ascertained in the past while being in the area a number of years ago,only French nationals could enter the base even on open days.That was confirmed on another forum a couple of years ago by a Luftwaffe serving officer who said he was denied entry on an open day.I would imagine that if he had official authorisation,it would be a different matter. Entry to non sensitive areas is a different matter and it may be that entry to these areas are now available to "tourists"
http://www.la-flore.fr/?langue=en http://www.la-flore.fr/?mode=horaires_tarifs https://www.tripadvisor.com/Attraction_Review-g196530-d1876161-Reviews-Flore_Submarine_base-Lorient_Morbihan_Brittany.html TD
There must be a reason for the relaxation of security and it looks that the reason is that Lorient now has the status of being a former submarine base as laid out by a trip advisor comment by a French national as. “a little bit of History” [SIZE=1em]Reviewed 15 December 2015[/SIZE] Lorient is my town and not so long ago the submarines were based at the place of this museum , you can visit Inside a submarine (it's very narrow!) and there is plenty of things that you can learn about the II world war, ;not far you have the museum Eric Tabarly and some restaurants [SIZE=1.167em]Visited August 2015[/SIZE] Helpful? 2 Thank titouty Report Ask titouty about Flore Submarine base I wonder if the base has been a victim of French Government defence rationalisation.....I will look at it further.I remember the time when the public could get near the place.....warning notices all the place on its boundary.
Merci. A la mémoire des 642 martyrs d'Oradour-sur-Glane. .......... At the 60th anniversary commemorations of the Normandy Landings at the Caen Mémorial in June 2004, I remember Gerhard Schröder, the German Chancellor at that time, pledge that the German people would not forget Nazi atrocities and referred to the Oradour-sur-Glane massacre. (N.B. Gerhard Schröder was Chancellor of Germany between 27 October 1998 and 22 November 2005).
i think we should also remember that as regards the onslaught against Russia it has been estimated that over 600 Russian villages so martyred as Oradour...there was no redress of grievance route against the German occupation forces for it was a clash of ideology and the death of civilians was usually categorised as being partisan. The Oradour atrocity.... Petain made representation to the Germans but to no avail.Atrocities against the French tended to increase and become more widespread as the resistance became more established and especially after the occupation of the Free Zone from November 1942/Operation Torch..... "terrorists" as the Germans described them egged on and in the pay of the British. The events of Oradour would have to wait for a year after the war crime was committed when the Rochechouart tribunal of 10 July 1945 issued the contents.....very graphic in detail as one would expect to reflect the depth of the atrocity.
The Rochechouart tribunal of 10 July 1945 was made available by the L'Association Nationale des Familles des Martyrs d' Oradour sur Glane.
View attachment 149131 View attachment 149133 View attachment 149134 View attachment 149135 The Rochechouart tribunal of 10 July 1945 was made available by the L'Association Nationale des Familles des Martyrs d' Oradour sur Glane.
I`m always a bit dubious about the eastern front Harry. Depends how they define 'martyred'. I`m uneasy with the word being used for Oradour, if you take the original Greek meaning of the word then it means someone who suffers death for a cause or belief. If Oradour was as stated 'the most passive village in the Limousin' then the inhabitants would have been happy just going about their daily business. To be classed as martyrs then they would have had to have been active in some form of resistance. If they weren`t then they are simply victims of murder. As for the Soviet Union, some villages may have been put to the torch and their inhabitants scattered by the Soviets during their initial retreat, to prevent sustenance to the Germans. The Soviets also had a habit of fortifying villages which then would have to be fought through by the Germans with the inevitable loss of life to the civilian community. I also wouldn`t put it past Stalin to have purged a few villages pre war and then blamed it on the Germans. That`s not to say Soviet villages weren`t 'cleansed ' by the einsatstruppen, but as the Germans were fairly meticulous record keepers then 600 events on the scale of Oradour would be hard to miss for historians at some point. It was interesting to find out that the Limousin became known to the Germans as 'little Russia' due to the increased activity of the maquisards following the Normandy landings.
Bit of a necro update, but the Resistance museum at St Marcel in Brittany has been re-opened.... Musée de la Résistance en Bretagne à Saint-Marcel (56)
