Other Ranks named in War Diaries

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  1. RosyRedd

    RosyRedd Senior Member

    It's been something that I have been intending to do for some time, but never have got around to doing. (I haven't found another thread that solely lists the names of OR's found in War Diaries, but if there is one, please could you add this to it).

    From the 1 Lincolns 1942 Diary - WO 172/876

    DEULA 10.6.42 (i) No 6143998 Pte C. WINTER of 'D' Coy. was bitten by a snake in the early hours of this morning and died on the way to hospital.

    CWGC listing:

    WINTER, CLEM

    Private

    6143998

    01/06/1942

    21

    East Surrey Regiment

    United Kingdom

    Plot H. Grave 56.

    CALCUTTA (BHOWANIPORE) CEMETERY, KOLKATA


    Clem Winter (1 of 1).jpg

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  2. dbf

    dbf Moderatrix MOD

    Nice idea Jules

    Pinned and moved to general WD section

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    Just a gentle reminder to folks... if you want others to be able to find names when searching the net, please consider typing them up and adding them to your post.

    It might be a right pain if there are a lot of them and you're the proverbial two finger typist, but search engines can't unfortunately read the contents of attachments.
     
  3. Ron Goldstein

    Ron Goldstein WW2 Veteran WW2 Veteran Patron

    I shall follow this thread with interest because I have always thought it unfair that ORs were rarely mentioned in Regimental Diaries.

    One notable exception was the following item that I remember commenting on once before:

    See my posting here on Thread Comment: #17
    Suicide during the Second World War


    Ron
     
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  4. bamboo43

    bamboo43 Very Senior Member

    Hi Jules,

    I've come across a fair few on my travels, mostly involving the injury or death of the man in question.

    Here are some examples:

    From the 13th King's Liverpool War Diary for 1944:

    DSC04667 copy 3.JPG DSC04672 copy 3.JPG

    Then from the 77th Indian Infantry Brigade diary for the same year, something a little different:

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  5. RosyRedd

    RosyRedd Senior Member

    That's great - thanks Diane :)

    I agree Ron. This Lincolns diary has mentioned all deceased OR's, which is not something I have come across so often in other diaries.

    Thanks for posting those Steve! I think a lot of the mentions are not going to be glad tidings.

    Again from 1 Lincolns 1942 Diary - WO 172/876

    Part II Orders - Other Ranks 30.6.42

    SHEET 1

    5107059 BEET, 4806398 EMERY
    4800883 HOWLETT, 5048334 JERVIS
    4802019 BRADING, 4900990 BARNARD
    4800654 BAILEY, 4802168 FORD
    4802468 HARRISON, 4802492 HARRISON
    4802547 HERRING, 4800618 MARSHALL
    4800141 SMITH, 4803424 BLACKWELL
    7012191 FANTHORPE, 4801003 GASH
    2217656 MAKIN, 4801525 PADLEY
    4799364 PROSSER, 4803791 PEREIRA
    4800597 CODD, 4801518 CHAPMAN
    4801299 FANTOM, 4802289 FENN
    4913344 LLOYD, 555961 PLANT
    825814 STANIFORTH, 4801113 FORD
    4803957 SUTCLIFFE, 6457812 CAALS
    4802103 FINNIGAN, 5182062 O'CONNELL
    4745635 WILLISON
    4800773 CARTWRIGHT, 4803990 OVERTON
    4801427 WELLS, 4800993 BURNETT
    4805328 LAPORTE, 4800864 ROBERTS
    4800885 SHARPE, 4801527 HARRISON
    4800622 MOTLEY, 813053 PUGH
    4801257 SPECK

    SHEET 2

    4801470 HERD, 4801306 WALTER
    4891506 CATLIN, 4804043 LEAMAN
    [No number] Pte J. WOOD, 4803724 COX
    4800555 FOX, 4800504 FULLER
    4802937 KING, 4805341 LOVEGROVE
    4857729 SHORTHOUSE, 4802489 SWANN
    4802104 FINNIGAN, 4807203 BULL
    4801190 CARLEY, 4801213 DEAKINS
    4801887 GRAVES, 4802501 GUILLIATT
    4800553 HOWLETT, 4800557 HEDGE
    4803976 HUDSON, 4802027 PAGE
    4801528 SMITH, 4804123 SILLS
    407149 KENDALL, 4801083 HAYLETT

    SHEET 3

    4799800 HALLAM, 4801178 JACKSON
    4802299 JOHNSON, 4804204 JICKELLS
    4801009 LING, 4797362 MUCKLEROY
    4807043 MORECROFT, 4801015 NORMAN
    5047221 THOMPSON, 791779 BEVERIDGE
    4801601 BROWN, 4807173 BACON
    4806555 HOWDEN, 4807273 HALL
    4807303 JOLLEY, 4806644 LAMBERT
    4807319 MARSHALL, 4802031 NEWMAN
    4801220 PEARSON, 4801110 STOREY
    4801882 WELBY, 4800607 WILSON



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  6. CL1

    CL1 116th LAA and 92nd (Loyals) LAA,Royal Artillery Patron

    116th LAA war diary

    Maison Celles
    10/11 August 1944

    SP hit mine
    no 1726580 Gnr Heard LW killed and 4 injured.
    14364244 L/Bdr Thoirs ,4205800 Gnr Murrell, 1657512 Gnr Tasker,4205172 Gnr Nichols,
    (Gunner Tasker since reported died of wounds)


    HEARD, LAWRENCE WATSON Rank: Gunner Service No: 1726580 Date of Death: 11/08/1944 Age: 36 Regiment/Service: Royal Artillery 116 Lt. A. A. Regt. Grave Reference: I. A. 11. Cemetery: BROUAY WAR CEMETERY Additional Information: Son of Walter and Agnes Heard; husband of Ellen Heard, of Everton, Lancashire.

    TASKER, ALBERT Rank: Gunner Service No: 1657512 Date of Death: 11/08/1944 Age: 31 Regiment/Service: Royal Artillery 116 Lt. A.A. Regt. Grave Reference: I. C. 10. Cemetery: BROUAY WAR CEMETERY Additional Information: Son of Alexander and Annie Tasker, of Manchester; husband of Elizabeth Tasker, of Bradford, Manchester.


    regards
    Clive
     
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  7. RosyRedd

    RosyRedd Senior Member

    1 Lincolns 1942 Diary - WO 172/876

    DEULA 15.7.42 (iii) No. 5808032 Pte. J.P. WILSON, "D" Company died of Malaria in No 47 General Hospital.

    (Think service number s/be 4808032 - as per CWGC):

    WILSON, JOSEPH PATRICK Private 4808032 15/07/1942 23 Lincolnshire Regiment United Kingdom Plot O. Row G. Grave 53. CALCUTTA (BHOWANIPORE) CEMETERY, KOLKATA

    Joseph Patrick Wilson (1 of 1).jpg


    DEULA 25.7.42 (ii) The death occurred at the [Btn at] Calcuta [sic], of No 4800714 Pte. C. MARSDEN, from Cerebral Malaria.

    MARSDEN, CHARLES ARTHUR EDWARD Private 4800714 25/07/1942 26 Lincolnshire Regiment United Kingdom Plot H. Grave 53. CALCUTTA (BHOWANIPORE) CEMETERY, KOLKATA

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    DEULA 27.8.42 (ii) No 4800278 Pte. G, Toynton, drowned whilst on training.

    TOYNTON, GEORGE Private 4800278 27/08/1942 28 Lincolnshire Regiment United Kingdom Plot H. Grave 8. CALCUTTA (BHOWANIPORE) CEMETERY, KOLKATA

    George Toynton (1 of 1).jpg


    DEULA 6.9.42 B.M.H. Calcutta phoned to say Cpl. Osborne had died that evening of bacillary dysentery.


    OSBORNE, JEFFREY

    Lance Corporal

    4801592

    06/09/1942

    25

    Lincolnshire Regiment

    United Kingdom

    Plot O. Row E. Grave 9.

    CALCUTTA (BHOWANIPORE) CEMETERY, KOLKATA

    Jeffrey Osborne (1 of 1).jpg



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  8. CL1

    CL1 116th LAA and 92nd (Loyals) LAA,Royal Artillery Patron

    116th LAA

    1st July 1944
    Field
    4205796 Gnr Wynne H.T. "B" Troop 380 Bty killed in action.due to enemy shelling.
    Buried by road side at approx 908705 - 1 mile west of Norrey -En-Bessin.



    WYNNE, HUGH THOMAS

    Rank:

    Gunner

    Service No:

    4205796

    Date of Death:

    01/07/1944

    Age:

    32

    Regiment/Service:

    Royal Artillery



    380 Bty., 116 Lt. A.A. Regt.

    Grave Reference:

    VI. A. 8.

    Cemetery:

    RYES WAR CEMETERY, BAZENVILLE



    Additional Information:

    Son of John and Jane Wynne; husband of Gwen May Wynne, of Pennal, Merionethshire.
     
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  9. bamboo43

    bamboo43 Very Senior Member

    Back from the Archives this afternoon and came across this entry in the 2/4 Bombay Grenadiers WD:

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  10. DianeE

    DianeE Member

    10th Indian Division Counter Mortar Organisation was disbanded in July 1945. Here is a list of OR's and their postings which was with the War Diary. My father Gnr L Rossiter is listed as being posted to 71 Field Regiment.

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  11. RosyRedd

    RosyRedd Senior Member

    1 Lincolns 1942 Diary - WO 172/876

    DEULA 8.9.42 (iii) No 791063 Driver Ahmed Ali No 5 Mule Coy RIASC attached to KULPI Detachment was approached by an Indian who handed him subversive Congress Party literature.

    This man was induced by the Sepoy to go with him to the detachment where he was arrested by the Civil (liason) [sic] policeman and was subsequently handed over to the local police.

    A copy of the pamphlet was obtained and sent to H.Q. 71st Ind. Inf. Bde.


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  12. DianeE

    DianeE Member

    10th Indian Division Counter Mortar Org War Diary (WO169/18818)

    28/6/44 Villa Puccia (Between Bastia and Perugia) - Sgt Rideout admitted to hospital

    12/7/44 Umbertide - Sgts (A/C) K Bowman and V C Cannon with 2 batmen drivers arrive to be posted to CMO. Sgt Rideout returned from hospital.

    21/7/44 Promano - Orders received to post Sgt V C Cannon to 24 Gds Bde. CMO took Sgt Cannon to near (or rear) station going via Arezzo-Castel Nuovo-Radda-13 Corps and 6 SA Armd Div, 24 Gds Bde.

    30/11/44 Forlimpopoli - First casualty at Morep Ops. Gunner Pearson wounded
     
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  13. DianeE

    DianeE Member

    I missed this entry-

    28/7/44 Cita Di Castello - Sgt Rideout returned to 13/ATK Reg RA
     
  14. RosyRedd

    RosyRedd Senior Member

    1 Lincolns 1942 Diary - WO 172/876

    Part II Orders - Other Ranks 26.6.42

    SHEET 1

    4792882 C.S.M. R. HACKFORD,
    4801537 Cpl. J. SMITH
    4801232 Pte. A. FOWLER
    4801726 Pte. G. EASTWOOD
    4799369 C.S.M. B. RINGHAM
    4804203 L/Cpl. C. COOK
    4801580 Pte. J. BRYANT
    4800738 Pte. F. COOK

    4798385 R.S.M. F. MASON
    4800487 Pte. W. CLARKE
    4802286 Pte. W. MIDDLECOAT
    4797302 RQMS. A. WELDRICK
    4799440 Pte. G. HOLLINGWORTH

    4800894 C.S.M. R. WINGATE

    4801932 Pte. G. MIDDLETON
    4801229 Pte. T. NEWCOMBE
    4802282 L/Cpl. J. SWABY
    [NO NUMBER] Pte. J. LEE
    4801574 L/Cpl. G. BRINDLEY

    4799119 C.S.M. R. FORD
    557121 Sjt. J. YEOMANS [Not sure if surname is followed by a question mark or not]
    4801085 C.S.M. J. WARD
    4800988 Cpl. F. BIRCH

    5107185 Sjt. W. DARNLEY
    3957944 Pte. N. HARDY
    4804106 Pte. H.SMITH

    4800635 Cpl. K. WOOD
    4800774 Cpl. E. ROBINSON

    4796248 R.S.M. J. MARSLAND
    4800881 C.S.M. G. JUDD

    4801314 C/Sjt. N. SMALLEY

    4801828 Pte. W. FLETCHER

    4801509 Pte. A. RILEY
    4801210 Cpl. S. JONES

    4800548 Pte. E. BUDD

    4800981 Sjt. W. SANDERSON

    SHEET 2

    4800505 L/Cpl. H. HEMPSALL
    4801551 Pte. L. GRICE
    4802625 Sjt. F. SEYMORE

    4801429 Pte. C. NORTON
    6143904 Pte. H. JEFFERY

    4800919 Pte. W. TAYLOR
    4801086 Pte. J, STUBBS
    4801657 Pte. C. SCOTT
    4801535 Pte. D. HEWERDINE
    4801781 Pte. W. BUXTON
    4801550 L/Cpl. G. PEARCE
    4801212 Pte. T. HOLDEN
    4801120 Pte,. H. STAMPER

    4800598 C/Sjt. R. BRADLEY
    4800936 Cpl. W. PYATT
    4801269 Pte. J. ASKEW
    4105628 Pte. P. MINCE
    6144744 Pte. C. MANN
    4800412 Cpl. R. DAY
    4808689 Pte. M. BAINBRIDGE
    4807614 Pte. C. RUSSELL
    4807359 Pte. G. SHARPE
    4802522 Pte. B. EAST

    4801927 Pte. A. MOORE
    4801014 Pte. F. BURROWS


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    (Apologies about Sheet 1 - no matter what I do, it only uploads upside down!)
     
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  15. bexley84

    bexley84 Well-Known Member

    I know that Brigadier Scott of 38th (Irish) Brigade instigated a system of "Mentions in Brigade Orders" early in 1945 - an example page in the war diaries is shown here..shame it wasn't introduced earlier or more widely. Pat Scott wrote;

    "....I decided that it would be some satisfaction to the men who were continually performing some gallant or outstanding act if we published their names in Brigade Orders. I also intended to give a simple certification to each man, recording the fact that their names had been so published. The trouble was that the allotment of “Mentions in Despatches” was very small and it took from nine months to a year for the London Gazette to publish the award.

    We felt that this simple token could not be thought by anyone to infringe the general awards and would give COs some way of giving early recognition to good work, which did not quite come up to the standard of an immediate award.

    That the idea was sound was encouraged by the fact that the Divisional Commander decided, about two months later, to institute a similar arrangement throughout the Division. His object was the same as mine but he hit on the excellent plan of allowing anyone who was awarded the Divisional “Mark of Merit”, to wear a small piece of braid under that their divisional sign. He also decided to make it retrospective to the beginning of October, when we returned from Egypt.

    I then made our publication of names in Brigade Orders retrospectively to the same time and that automatically carried an award of the Divisional “Mark of Merit”."
     

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  16. Shiny 9th

    Shiny 9th Member Patron

    I have the War Diaries for 44 and 45 for the 9th Btn. Royal Sussex serving in India,Burma and Malaya.One day I plan to make a list of all ranks mentioned. When not actually in action, there are quite a lot of ORs names,usually promotions or inter company moves.Sometimes when honours and awards were announced.Its going to be quite a task tho and if anyone else has done anything similar would love to hear how you did it.Paper, card index or computer. The Roll of Honour for those killed is in tabulated form in order of date of death but an alphabetical system would make more sense for those who did come home.
     
  17. dbf

    dbf Moderatrix MOD

    Quick answer - spreadsheet for me.
    Columns for surname, first name, number, battalion, regt, ... and sources e.g. CWGC / POW / Awards /Medal Rolls / War Diary / Missing Personnel files / Regtl History - Index & Appendices /other publications like Association Journals / photos, anything else that occurs... the list goes on.

    Spreadsheet means you can duplicate the page then rearrange the information - by date, alphabetically, by army number - and for me, this format might - eventually - convert itself to a proper searchable online database. I posted up my own cutdown versions, under Army Number order on the forum, as Unofficial nominal rolls.
     
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  18. ramacal

    ramacal 336/102 LAA Regiment (7 Lincolns), RA Patron

    I've got most of the Lincoln's nominal rolls containing over 20,000 names from WW2, but they don't give which battalion they served in. My other projects will keep me occupied for quite some time yet, so it will be ages yet before I even attempt this task.

    I will make another visit to the Lincoln archives early next year to get the remaining names of men transferred in from other units.
     
  19. Shiny 9th

    Shiny 9th Member Patron

    Thanks both for your suggestions. I know its a huge task. Having gone down a route when doing some family history, by purchasing a programme and then finding it could not be read by a new computer, and the firm making it no longer did upgrades, I can see a standalone spreadsheet might well be the answer, but worry about loss of info- remembering poor Drew and his computer crash. It means being rigorous with saving info in a cloud or dropbox. I don't think any list will ever be complete but if it could be made publicly available others could view and suggest new names or details.
     
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  20. RosyRedd

    RosyRedd Senior Member

    From the 1 Lincolns 1942 Diary - WO 172/876

    Part II Orders – SHEET 1 dated 15.6.42

    P.O.W. Camp BANGALORE – 1.3.42
    4792882 C.S.M. R. HACKFORD
    4801537 Cpl. J.SMITH
    4801232 Pte. A. FOWLER
    4801726 Pte. G. EASTWOOD
    4799369 C.S.M. B. RINGHAM
    4804203 L/Cpl. C. COOK
    4801580 Pte. J. BRYANT
    4800738 Pte. F. COOK

    P.O.W. Camp BHOPAL – 1.3.42
    4798385 R.S.M. F. MASON
    4800487 Pte. W. CLARKE
    4802286 Pte. W. MIDDLECOAT
    4797302 RQMS. A. WELDRICK
    4799440 Pte. G. HOLLINGWORTH

    P.O.W. Camp DEHRA DUN – 1.3.42
    800894 C.S.M. R. WINGATE

    P.O.W. Camp RAMGARH – 1.3.42
    4801932 Pte. G. MIDDLETON
    4801229 Pte. T. NEWCOMBE
    4802282 L/Cpl. J. SWABY
    Pte. J. LEE
    4801574 L/Cpl. G. BRINDLEY

    P.O.W. Camp YOL. KANGRA VALLEY – 1.3.42
    4799119 C.S.M. R. FORD
    557121 Sjt. J.YEOMANS?
    4801805 C.S.M. J.WARD
    4800988 Cpl. F.BIRCH

    1ST Arm. Div. Provost Unit. SIALKOT – 1.3.42
    5107185 Sjt. W. DARNLEY
    3957944 Pte. N. HARDY
    4804106 Pte. H.SMITH

    Provost Unit. TRIMULGHERRY – 1.3.42
    4800635 Cpl. K.WOOD
    4800774 Cpl. E. ROBINSON

    Officers’ Training School BELGAUM – 1.3.42
    4796248 R.S.M J. MARSLAND
    4800881 C.S.M G. JUDD

    Indian Provost Unit – 1.3.42
    4801314 C/Sjt. N. SMALLEY

    Ind. Div. Provost Unit ATTOCK – 1.3.42
    4801828 Pte. W. FLETCHER

    A.F.V.S AHMEDNAGAR – 1.3.42
    4801509 Pte. A.RILEY
    4801210 Cpl. S. JONES

    Western (I) District D.I.K – 1.3.42
    4800548 Pte. E. BUDD

    18th Ind. Div. SECUNDERABAD – 1.3.42
    4800981 Sjt. W. SANDERSON
     

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