Parachute Regiment Wedding photo Mystery?

Discussion in 'Searching for Someone & Military Genealogy' started by KennyIII, Mar 17, 2021.

  1. KennyIII

    KennyIII Member

    Thanks for finding this. Incredible work from this forum! I hope I can post more mysteries if they ever arise? I do love WW2 history in general so joining was long overdue. There are some other mysteries I was researching for a journalist on a bomber crash in England and I think this website is a place I should have visited long ago. Thank you all.
     
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  2. KennyIII

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    I was thinking of purchasing the book but it looks out of print on Amazon. I'm a librarian so I think I'll get it from an Inter Library Loan request. Thank you.
     
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  3. Tricky Dicky

    Tricky Dicky Don'tre member

    Arthur Bert James
    1923–1988
    BIRTH 23/10/1923 • Northampton, Northamptonshire, England
    DEATH 13/01/1988 • Adelaide, South Australia, Australia

    UK, British Prisoners of War, 1939-1945
    Name: A B James
    Rank: Private
    Army Number: 7022654
    Regiment: Army Air Corps
    POW Number: 75364
    Camp Type: Stalag
    Camp Number: XII-A
    Camp Location: Limburg, Baden-Württemberg

    England & Wales, Civil Registration Birth Index, 1916-2007
    Name: Arthur B James
    Registration Date: Oct 1923
    [Nov 1923]
    [Dec 1923]
    Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec
    Registration District: Northampton
    Inferred County: Northamptonshire
    Mother's Maiden Name: Byrne
    Volume Number: 3b
    Page Number: 60

    Australia and New Zealand, Find a Grave Index, 1800s-Current
    Name: Arthur Bert James
    Death Date: 13 Jan 1988
    Cemetery: Enfield Memorial Park
    Burial or Cremation Place: Clearview, Port Adelaide Enfield City, South Australia, Australia
    Has Bio?: N





    TD

    edited to delete one of the photos as there are better ones

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  4. Owen

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    Are you getting an email notification if I quote your post ?

    Top of the page is "Watch thread" - click that & I think you'll get emails for all replies.
     
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  5. Tony56

    Tony56 Member Patron

    Patient search in online newspapers with various keywords - Northampton, paratroop, Edmund, November, glad to have helped. Is there any other story behind you getting the photo in the first place? Who can find the link with Ashford?
     
  6. High Wood

    High Wood Well-Known Member

    Well done everybody, what a superb team effort.
     
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    Wobbler Well-Known Member

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  8. JimHerriot

    JimHerriot Ready for Anything

    With all due deference and agreement to AB64's post here; Parachute Regiment Wedding photo Mystery?, and the admirable work of all good folk who have added to this thread.

    Extracts from a book of an earlier time;

    "FIRST IN! PARACHUTE PATHFINDER COMPANY by RON KENT" first published 1979 by B.T. Batsford Ltd.

    Photo (not great quality unfortunately) may possibly have Arthur "Jimmy" James to the left (as you look at it) of the late Sgt. Thompson.

    Kind regards, always remember, never forget,

    Jim.

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  9. KennyIII

    KennyIII Member

    Yes. I do get it for most posts on this thread. I didn't get an email for the post with the solution and clipping for some reason?
     
  10. KennyIII

    KennyIII Member

    I like geolocation photo mysteries and historical photo mysteries as a hobby so I search online for them. I posted this photo to a Twitter OSINT group who does modern photo mysteries but they also like the odd historical mystery. The original poster is at this Twitter link. I've contacted him on the thread so he knows the couple and location were found. He wants to find the family to get the photo back to them. This forum is a great resource and has some great people. I hope ww2talk members like these mysteries also and it's not a pain to see these types of threads? Thanks again!

    https://twitter.com/NickGammage/status/1364550267031728129
     
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  11. Owen

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    We love threads like these.
    Thanks for mentioning the forum on twitter too.
    We do have a twitter page.
    WW2Talk (@WW2Talk) / Twitter
    von Poop runs that.
     
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  12. KennyIII

    KennyIII Member

    I appreciate the added genealogical work! I've given this information to the owner of the photo who probably found it at a boot sale or something like that near Ashford, Kent. He says on the original Twitter post that he is looking for relatives to give the photo back to them. If I find anything out I will do a follow up post to this thread and forum. That would be awesome for all this great work to have a great ending. Thank you.
     
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  13. KennyIII

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    And no DCM. I've learned a valuable lesson on not believing everything I think I see and to listen to the experts!
     
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  14. Owen

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    Slightly better quality on IWM site.
    It's zoomable.

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    ROYAL AIR FORCE: HEADQUARTERS ALLIED EXPEDITIONARY AIR FORCE, NO. 38 GROUP RAF.. © IWM (CL 1154)
    IWM Non Commercial License
     
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  15. KennyIII

    KennyIII Member

    Where did you find that nice studio photo?
    Where did you find that nice studio photo? It's interesting to note I can't seem to find Private A.B. James mentioned on the Para Museum website Paradata.com. Are these photos copyright protected, privately owned or open sourced?
     
  16. KennyIII

    KennyIII Member

    I always give credit to those who solve them or credit information. It's always a group effort in some way and needs a diverse set of people helping. The OSINT community on Twitter like to solve these through technology but classic research and genealogy skills are invaluable. That's why I like to give them these historical mysteries to crack. And as you see this forum cracked it to a level not possible through just basic OSINT techniques. I'll use the Twitter name link in the future if I can find any good WW2 mysteries to post here.
     
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  17. von Poop

    von Poop Adaministrator Admin

    Passing photography nerd:
    Reds often look a very pale shade in monochrome photography, especially when the photographer used a (very common) red filter to enhance contrast between colours that might show as the same shade without.
    Whenever I've acquired an old camera that comes with a little leather box of filters on the strap, it's got a Red, Yellow & Green. They were common usage, particularly with knowledgeable amateurs & pros.
    They also mean anybody that tells you with certainty what a colour was from looking at a Monochrome shot is taking an immense risk.

    How Black & White Filters Work
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    I'll get my lens cap.
    Nice thread.
     
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  18. KennyIII

    KennyIII Member

    Thanks for this information. I tried some photo programs that convert the image to color but you can tell it's not correct. I thought for sure there must be technology out there that can tell the colors correctly but your information explains the difficulty and why just looking at it is very difficult. I have to be open to all options when looking at black and white but in the search for clues you must make a guess and work with it in order to progress in finding things. Thank you!
     
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  19. von Poop

    von Poop Adaministrator Admin

    I really don't think there is, yet.
    Guesses can be made by using known reference points, but they're still guesses without knowing exactly what the photographer used.
    (Eg. Leaving a Yellow filter on the lens all the time was pretty normal for anybody who was reasonably keen or a pro, to enhance sharpness & protect the lens. I'm not sure I've seen a keen colouriser take that aspect seriously yet.)
     
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  20. Tricky Dicky

    Tricky Dicky Don'tre member

    They are from a Public family tree on Ancestry

    TD
     
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