Pte 5889794 Edwin Humphreys Northamptonshire Regt

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  1. Tricky Dicky

    Tricky Dicky Don'tre member

    I can find only one child born with the surname Humphreys and a mother whose maiden name is Guest but that was 1994 in Cheshire

    The other problems you may come across is that at registration they have included the mothers maiden name to read the same as the child or perhaps it was mispelt at Registration or in transcription into the records - so you could be looking for a Humphreys and in fact the name on the record is Humphrey

    TD
     
  2. Roberts92

    Roberts92 Member

    Hi TD,

    having found these entries I feel Brians name was changed from Allen (Bettys maiden name) to Humphreys, and I feel Betty used Humphreys so as not to appear to have a child out of wedlock as from what I believe it was not acceptable back then?

    Brian J Allen
    England and Wales Birth Registration Index
    Name Brian J Allen
    Event Type Birth Registration
    Registration Quarter Jul-Aug-Sep
    Registration Year 1951
    Registration District Coalville
    County Leicestershire
    Event Place Coalville, Leicestershire, England
    Mother's Maiden Name Allen
    Volume 3A
    Page ?
    Affiliate Line Number 123
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    Surname Given Name Mother District Volume Page Transcriber
    Births Sep 1951

    HUMPHREYS Brian J. ALLEN Coalville 3a See D/65
    This entry appears to be a late entry referring to the following
    Births 1965 Dec: HUMPHREYS,BRIAN J,ALLEN,COALVILLE,3A,658

    The expected page range for this district is 565 to 604

    Possible late entry
    Normally GRO Index page numbers are numeric, optionally followed by a letter. As this page number ('See D/65') does not follow this format it is possible that it is a Late Entry. Late Entries mean that the registration of the event was delayed, e.g. parents did not attend the Register Office to record a birth but the birth was registered much later when the child was about to begin work, or an Inquest after a death prevented the immediate issuing of a death certificate. A Late Entry attempts to show a searcher where to look for the actual GRO reference. Unfortunately the format of such Late Entries is not standardised, but the usual pattern is a letter showing the Quarter of the Registration [March (M), June (J), September (S) or December (D)] followed by the last two digits of the year, thus giving the quarter and year when the Registration was entered into the GRO records. A reference that reads 'see J/75' would therefore indicate that the GRO registration and reference is probably to be found in the June Quarter of either 1875 or 1975 (depending on context).
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    Name Betty I Allen
    Event Type Birth Registration
    Registration Quarter Apr-May-Jun
    Registration Year 1930
    Registration District Ashby De La Zouch
    County Leicestershire
    Event Place Ashby De La Zouch, Leicestershire, England
    Mother's Maiden Name Monk
    Volume 7A
    Page 190
    Affiliate Line Number 126

    (There were no other results for Betty Iris accept the Marriage:)

    Name Betty I Humphreys
    Event Type Marriage Registration
    Registration Quarter Oct-Nov-Dec
    Registration Year 1972
    Registration District Coalville
    County Leicestershire
    Event Place Coalville, Leicestershire, England
    Spouse Name (available after 1911) Humphreys
    Volume 3A
    Page 1061
    Affiliate Line Number 63
    0">
    0"> Betty I Humphreys probably married one of the following people
    Name John E Humphreys

    Do think it would be best to apply for a Birth Certifcate for Brian Allen?
    kind regards
     
  3. Tricky Dicky

    Tricky Dicky Don'tre member

    As I mentioned earlier - I think in this scenario you need to do one step at a time and to ensure your next step is correct then obtaining official certificates will provide you with the "concrete steps" you need to follow . I have found before that one can make assumptions but then the facts get in the way, so I would apply for certificates to ensure you are on the right track

    Be interesting to see how this turns out

    I assume you are on a genealogy web site and are able to create a tree??

    TD
     
  4. Roberts92

    Roberts92 Member

    Thank you TD, I am most grateful for your advice and I am going to apply for Brian's Birth Certificate first under ALLEN and then HUMPHREYS (as when previously searching for Linda's birth certificate we were refunded as they could not find anything matching the details I had provided so hopefully it won't be money spent in vain)

    I am registered with Family Search although limited to whats records are there and Ancestry but again limited by credits
    kind regards
     
  5. Stuart Avery

    Stuart Avery In my wagon & not a muleteer.

    I do admire your perseverance & patience.. Do come back with the Service Records, if you can manage to obtain them?

    Good luck..

    Regards,
    Stu.
     
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  6. Roberts92

    Roberts92 Member

    Hi Stu.

    I have managed to located 2 pictures threw a thread that my partners sister posted a few years ago (I'm unsure if she has anymore as we do not have contact with her) tho I've spent a little trying to break down all the abbreviations like SCS ENAF to MEF? Baffling at the moment,

    Here are the 2 found already:
    image.jpeg

    image1.jpeg kind regards.
     
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  7. Gary Tankard

    Gary Tankard Well-Known Member

    So looks like he served with 2nd Battalion Northamptonshire Regiment part of 17th Infantry Brigade, 5th Infantry Division. Wounded in North Africa on 7th April 1943 (left foot) and again on 30th October 1943 in Italy (buttocks).
     
  8. harkness

    harkness Well-Known Member

    5th Battalion, according to the Casualty lists:

    Humphreys_01.jpg

    Humphreys_02.jpg
     
  9. Tricky Dicky

    Tricky Dicky Don'tre member

    SOS BNAF to MEF

    I think it might be Struck Off Strength British North Africa Force to Middle East Force

    If you note his next assignment is in Palestine, so this is showing he changed from Africa/Italy theatre of war to Middle East theatre of war

    TD
     
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  10. Owen

    Owen -- --- -.. MOD


    Original thread here.
    2nd Bn Northamptonshire Regiment ww2

    Is this chap the same one you started the thread about ?
    If so did you know the thread existed when you started yours ?
     
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  11. Roberts92

    Roberts92 Member


    Hi Owen,Yes that is a thread posted by Delia my partners sister but as mentioned we do not have contact with her, I have briefly discussed this thread with TD but I am open to any and all information and advice please :)
    Kind regards
     
  12. Owen

    Owen -- --- -.. MOD

    Would you like me to retitle the thread as I can't see any connection to the 7th Armoured Division.
    I might even merge this thread with the original one .
     
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  13. Roberts92

    Roberts92 Member

    Yes please I would most grateful.. I was not aware of the thread Delia had posted, My partner had very little information to begin with so I started this threat based on what he knew then which is why It's name 7th armoured division
    Kind regards
     
  14. Owen

    Owen -- --- -.. MOD

    Will merge later . Gotta go out. Cheers.
     
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  15. Roberts92

    Roberts92 Member

    Ditto. Signing out for now -

    Members: please feel free to bombard me with anything you feel may be helpful,

    My partner had a brilliant relationship with his grandfather so we would really like to know as much as possible,

    Kind regards
     
  16. Stuart Avery

    Stuart Avery In my wagon & not a muleteer.

    If you need anything from A HISTORY of the 58th -1939-1945 2nd BATTALION The Northamptonshire Regiment, then pm me?
    Looks as if he got a higher rate of pay whilst on leave in Palestine.? I think. I would have to check out the (With H.R.M./ L.R.) Not sure of L.R. though. Don't have the War diaries. Higher rate messing springs to mind.. H.R.M.?
    Edit, don't think the 5 Northamptons did a battalion history, but i could be wrong?
    Regards,
    Stu.
     
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  17. Stuart Avery

    Stuart Avery In my wagon & not a muleteer.

    H.R.M./ L.R. Higher rate messing at lower rate. Some smart chap will come around & say why any soldier got the H.R.M with leave.

    I do think it has something to do with having a trade? My Grandfather was a driver, & he also got it whilst he was on leave in Palestine.
    If you want to remortgage your house, then you can try & obtain a copy of The History of the Northamptonshire Regiment 1934-1948.
    Published by The Regimental History Committee in 1953. The author was Brigadier W.J. Jervois MC. Its a tomb of a book, & is rather scarce. I'm trying to obtain a copy..;)
    Regards,
    Stu.
     
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  18. minden1759

    minden1759 Senior Member

    If he was back with 2 NORTHANTS on 21 Dec 43 after his wounding in Oct 43 then he would have been at the crossing of the Garigliano on 17 Jan 44 and then moved with the Battalion to the Anzio beachhead in Feb-Mar 44.

    Regards

    Frank
     
  19. Owen

    Owen -- --- -.. MOD

    Merged 2 threads on same chap.
     
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  20. Stuart Avery

    Stuart Avery In my wagon & not a muleteer.

    Frank, I'm it reading has him being posted back to 2 NN - 2nd Bn on the 21/12/43. 08/12/43. Posted to 3 Corps?/ probably Casualty Resettlement Unit.

    Regards,
    Stu.
     

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