RA Attestations - A.C. Smith & Bill McCulloch (or is it Bryden?)

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  1. PackRat

    PackRat Well-Known Member

    Could anyone with access to the genealogy sites or RA attestations please kindly have a look for these two gents to help solve a puzzle. Both men were with 130 Field Regiment RA in the ill-fated Arakan operation of 1943. I've found short memoirs for both and hope to find a bit of background information on them.

    A.C. Smith

    His service number was possibly 920298 (guessed from a nominal roll of the Regiment in 1944). He mentions Dunkirk, so possibly transferred to 130 Field along with my grandfather in the 60-man ex-BEF cadre from 139 Field Regiment in August 1940.

    I'm trying to work out if he was one of the original 139 Field TA mob from the Lewisham area (the Second Line unit that formed from 91 Field Regiment in the TA expansion) or if he was one of the older pre-war reservists from the north of England. Would also very much like to find his first name and age.

    Bill McCulloch (or Bill Bryden?)

    He turned 18 in April 1939, and the same month joined the Territorials (probably 79th Field Regiment, later transferring to its own Second Line, 130th Field Regiment). His hometown was probably Kilmarnock, Scotland. He was placed on the X-list after the First Arakan and ended up being transferred to the Royal Scots.

    I'm not sure if McCulloch was his real name and Bryden a pen name? Can't find either on the very few nominal rolls.

    His short book - called Shell Shocked: From Arakan to Mandalay by Bill Bryden - was published in 2004. The same text was also included as a section in the book 130th Field Regiment R.A. and its Burma Campaign (published 1996). However, in the 130 Field history the section is credited (repeatedly) to Bill McCulloch, and in the foreward and dedication the author names himself as Bill McCulloch too.
     
  2. PackRat

    PackRat Well-Known Member

    And if possible, would the attestations reveal which regiment these two 130 Field men originally joined pre-war? Don McLeod was another ex-BEF man who transferred in to 130 Field:

    888603 Donald McLeod
    958570 Ron Perry
     
  3. harkness

    harkness Well-Known Member

  4. PackRat

    PackRat Well-Known Member

    Many thanks Harkness, those are very helpful.

    Any ideas on how I could unravel the Bill McCulloch/Bryden question? I'm interested in the backgrounds of all of these men, but he's the biggest mystery. I wonder if Bryden was a middle name used as a pen name?

    William McCulloch (or William Bryden?). Born April 1921, possibly in Kilmarnock, Scotland.

    Thanks to the attestations, I now know the others to be:

    Alfred Charles Smith
    Donald McLeod
    Albert Ronald (Kirtland?) Perry


    Would love to know where they were born and their ages if anyone is able to somehow track them down.
     
  5. Guy Hudson

    Guy Hudson Looker-upper

    Bill McCulloch (or Bill Bryden?)

    First name(s)
    William Mcculloch
    Last Name Bryden
    Title Mr
    Sex Male
    Age 89
    Birth year 1921
    Birth date 14 Apr 1921
    Death year 2010
    Death date 07 May 2010
    Place Selkirk
    Area Galashiels
    Geo direction Scotland (South & Central)
    Postcode area TD
    Postcode district TD7
    Postcode sector TD7 4
    County Selkirkshire
    Country Scotland

    First name(s) Alfred Ronald K
    Last name Perry
    Title Mr
    Sex Male
    Age 94
    Birth year 1917
    Birth date 26 Jan 1917
    Death year 2011
    Death date 09 Apr 2011
    Place Pontypool
    Area Newport
    Geo direction Wales (South)
    Postcode area NP
    Postcode district NP4
    Postcode sector NP4 5
    County Monmouthshire
    Country Wales
     
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  6. PackRat

    PackRat Well-Known Member

    That's brilliant, thanks Guy. Wouldn't have guessed at 'McCulloch' as a middle name.

    Is there an RA attestation for William Mcculloch Bryden in late April 1939? I'm eager to find his service number.
     
  7. Guy Hudson

    Guy Hudson Looker-upper

    Screen Shot 2019-10-15 at 09.15.25.png
    This is the only William Bryden that enlisted in 1939.
    'McCulloch' would have most likely been his mother's maiden name.
     
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  8. Tullybrone

    Tullybrone Senior Member

    That’ll be him as OP mentioned his transfer to Royal Scots in the initial post.

    Steve
     
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  9. harkness

    harkness Well-Known Member

    1939 REGISTER
    78 Greenhill Road, Pontypool U.D., Monmouthshire

    Name - DOB - Occupation - Marital status
    John Perry - 08 Sep 1870 - Steel Works Labourer, Heavy Worker - Married
    Sarah J Perry - 18 Feb 1875 - Housewife, Unpaid - Married
    Alfred R K Perry - 26 Jan 1917 - Fitters Labourer At Steel Works, Heavy Worker - Single
    Hubert R J Perry - 11 Nov 1911 - Steel Works Labourer, Heavy Worker - Single
     
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  10. harkness

    harkness Well-Known Member

    BRYDEN, WILLIAM MCCULLOCH
    Age: 89
    Mother's Maiden Name: BRADFORD
    Death: 2010
    District: Selkirk


    Parents' marriage:

    BRYDEN, WILLIAM MCCULLOCH
    BRADFORD, JANE ANDREW
    1915, Blythswood
     
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  11. harkness

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  12. harkness

    harkness Well-Known Member

    First name(s) Alfred Ronald Kistland
    Last name Perry
    Birth date 26 Jan 1917
    Baptism date 28 Mar 1917
    Place Griffithstown
    County Monmouthshire
    Father's first name(s) John
    Mother's first name(s) Sarah Jane
     
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  13. PackRat

    PackRat Well-Known Member

    Fantastic, thanks all. That's definitely the man - his short memoir mentions being a signaller for an ack-ack unit for a time, before being sent off to the the Royal Scots. That solves the mystery with him!

    If anyone has time to look, can I very cheekily ask if there's anything similar on the backgrounds of Alfred Charles Smith and Donald McLeod.

    I can't stretch to the death cert/service record route, but if they hailed from the SE London area it would pretty much confirm the suspicion that they were part of the ex-BEF transfer from 139 Field in 1940 (unless they were part of the bunch of tough reservists from the north-west who replaced the under-19s before going overseas - they were mostly ex-miners and farm hands apparently).
     

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