Remembering Today 17/1/43 Sergeant E.E.J.Sillitoe 656217 Royal Air Force 235 Sqdn.

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You can view the original birth entry, but I agree, it is not the clearest entry.

 

There is a reference in another tree though a private one, saying he died on 11 September 1944, but tree owner wont respond to my messages, and the parents names matches

 

Entry have found matches location and date. A lady who runs the private tree wont engage unfortunately, though her date of death she has is 18 months different but cant view basis behind it

 

UK and Ireland, Find A Grave Index, 1300s-Current
Name: Sgt John Charles Warburton
Death Date: 17 Jan 1943
Death Place: Kilkhampton, Cornwall Unitary Authority, Cornwall, England
Cemetery: St Augustine churchyard
Burial or Cremation Place: Heanton Punchardon, North Devon District, Devon, England
Has Bio?: Y
URL: http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-...

1943 March Quarter death registration-
Name: WARBURTON, John C.
Age: 21
District: Stratton
Volume & Page: 5c & 1
Sergeant Warburton lost his life when his Bristol Beaufighter VIc (T5322) aircraft of 235 Squadron, which was based at that time at RAF Chivenor in Devonshire, crashed at Stow Farm in Kilkhampton, Cornwall. The Beaufighter was completely destroyed and the 2-man crew perished. RAF Sergeant Ewen Edward John SILLITOE also died in this aircraft accident.
From the Commonwealth War Graves Commission-
Military Service:-
Rank: Sergeant
Trade: Pilot
Service No: 1380668
Date of Death: 17/01/1943
Regiment/Service: Royal Air Force Volunteer Reserve
Division: 235 Squadron [MOTTO: 'Jaculamur Humi' ('We Strike Them to the Ground')]

TD

 

Thanks Tricky Dicky. We have more details of the crash from the form 1180, ORBs and are meeting a couple old boys Monday morning whose father was working on the farm that day and hopefully can pinpoint the location. Main mystery is why Warburton has not registered any next of kin, so who was he and where was he from? Did he have family who had no idea what happened to him?

 

hopefully when i get the dc it will have more info on him

 

In the cases where the CWGC has no next of kin information it could be for one of many reasons.

Pro formas were sent out in the early 1950s to the last known address of the listed next of kin. In many cases the parents had passed away. Or moved.

I'm aware of one case where the wife, the nominated NOK, had remarried and wanted no more to do with her former husband's family and flat out refused to fill out the pro forma.

Today, that man is still listed with nothing on CWGC.

 

I will get the service file if nothing more materialises

 

well gents, the mystery is solved, thanks Harkness, CL1 and alleneyes for your persistence and your information. I have a had an email from Texas this evening solving the mystery. Hoping to talk on the phone shortly to try and get to the bottom of all our questions.

 

Confirmation from Lancashire BMD

Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1921
Surname | Forename(s) | Mother's Maiden Name | Sub-District | Registers At | Ref
WARBURTON | John C | | Rusholme | Manchester | RUS/17/61

No mother's maiden name given.

 

Be careful you aren't chasing this John C Warburton

England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007
Name: John Collier Warburton
Death Age: 76
Birth Date: 16 Nov 1921
Registration Date: Feb 1998
Registration district: Sefton North
Inferred County: Merseyside
Register Number: 55A
District and Subdistrict: 0341A
Entry Number: 130

He had a twin - Harry and hois mothers maiden name was Collier

England & Wales, Civil Registration Birth Index, 1916-2005
Name: John C Warburton
Mother's Maiden Surname: Collier
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1921
Registration district: Chorlton
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume Number: 8c
Page Number: 1233

TD

 

Re: the Rusholme birth - mother's maiden name was given as Shaw on FreeBMD, but omitted on Lancs BMD.

 

England & Wales, Civil Registration Birth Index, 1916-2005
Name: John O Warburton
Mother's Maiden Surname: Shaw
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1921
Registration district: Salford
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume Number: 8d
Page Number: 146

England & Wales, Civil Registration Birth Index, 1916-2005
Name: John Warburton
Mother's Maiden Surname: Shaw
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1922
Registration district: Salford
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume Number: 8d
Page Number: 242

TD

 

TD - see posts #17, #18, #20, #21, #30

 

Teddie Sillitoe and Jack Warburton are Crew on far left
This photo we have dated to November 42

 

This is him but it’s John C not John O

 

assume this is now sorted
reply received re the DC assume no longer required?

We have been unable to process your application, please refer to the paragraph below.
Sometimes we experience difficulties with our records where the quality of the original document is poor and are unable to reproduce a pdf accordingly.

Unfortunately, on this occasion we are unable to issue a produce pdf reflecting the original document. You can apply for the entry in a paper certificate format.

 

Ol i will pass on to the nephew and see if he wants to get death certificate

 

to be fair I dont mind getting dc but now you have a relative involved they can take the reins
let us all know what you find out


regards
Clive

 

Nephew is going to apply for service file and casualty file