Remembering Today 21/9/44 Corporal:J.J.Karmy,5950118,5th Bn. Bedfordshire and Hertfordshire Regiment

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  1. CL1

    CL1 116th LAA and 92nd (Loyals) LAA,Royal Artillery

    Corporal KARMY, JOHN JOSEPH
    Service Number 5950118

    Died 21/09/1944

    Aged 23

    5th Bn.
    Bedfordshire and Hertfordshire Regiment

    Son of S. S. and Rosa Karmy, of Milton, Southsea, Hampshire.
    Casualty
     
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  2. Tony56

    Tony56 Member Patron

    The Evening News, Tuesday, July 11, 1944
    Karmy 1944.jpg

    The Bedfordshire Times, Friday, 7 December, 1945

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  3. Guy Hudson

    Guy Hudson Looker-upper

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  4. papiermache

    papiermache Well-Known Member

    He died on the Hofuku Maru on the 21st September 1944 when the vessel was sunk following an attack by US carrier borne aircraft( see the thread of that name.) ( My uncle also died.)
    He was a jeweller. The Bureau of Record and Enquiry roll states he was sent to Thailand in October 1942, to work on the railway, returning to Singapore in May or June 1944.

    RIP.

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  5. CL1

    CL1 116th LAA and 92nd (Loyals) LAA,Royal Artillery

    from the newspaper cutting
    He is Remembered on the Harrold War Memorial,Bedfordshire
    PrivateBAMBRIDGE, ALBERT STANLEY
    Service Number 5950134

    Died 21/09/1944

    Aged 23

    5th Bn.
    Bedfordshire and Hertfordshire Regiment

    Son of Walter and Jane Annie Bambridge, of Harrold, Bedfordshire.

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  6. papiermache

    papiermache Well-Known Member

    Pte. Albert Bambridge's IJA card. He was a butcher in civilian life.

    RIP

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  7. KevinBattle

    KevinBattle Senior Member

    ..... meanwhile, back to John Joseph Karmy as per initial post....
    J J's father, Seraphin, appears to have died in 1955 and Rosa in 1943.
    TD may find more, as it is a very unusual surname, and J J is the only Karmy in CWGC records, presumably Rosa died of natural causes, not enemy activity.

    On the Bedford Bunyan Meeting Place Roll of Honour Roll of Honour - Bedfordshire - Bedford, Bunyan Meeting House
     
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  8. Guy Hudson

    Guy Hudson Looker-upper

    The casualty list of 5th Beds & Herts that died on the 21st September 1944.
    'Cap Badge' R.H. Medley
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  9. CL1

    CL1 116th LAA and 92nd (Loyals) LAA,Royal Artillery

    PrivateHALL, REGINALD WILLIAM
    Service Number 5950230

    Died 21/09/1944

    Aged 30

    5th Bn.
    Bedfordshire and Hertfordshire Regiment

    Son of Mr. and Mrs. Herbert Hall, of Moggerhanger, Bedfordshire.

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  10. CL1

    CL1 116th LAA and 92nd (Loyals) LAA,Royal Artillery

    PrivateJARVIS, ROBERT
    Service Number 5956643

    Died 21/09/1944

    Aged 32

    5th Bn.
    Bedfordshire and Hertfordshire Regiment

    Son of James and Louisa Jarvis; husband of Nora Jarvis, of Pirton, Hertfordshire.
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  11. CL1

    CL1 116th LAA and 92nd (Loyals) LAA,Royal Artillery

    Lance CorporalNORMAN, GERALD HERBERT
    Service Number 5952006

    Died 21/09/1944

    Aged 24

    5th Bn.
    Bedfordshire and Hertfordshire Regiment

    Son of Mr. and Mrs. John Benjamin Norman, of Boreham Wood, Hertfordshire.

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  12. CL1

    CL1 116th LAA and 92nd (Loyals) LAA,Royal Artillery

    PrivateWILLEY, STANLEY
    Service Number 5953196

    Died 21/09/1944

    Aged 24

    5th Bn.
    Bedfordshire and Hertfordshire Regiment

    Son of Mr. and Mrs. Alfred Willey, of Olney, Buckinghamshire.

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  13. CL1

    CL1 116th LAA and 92nd (Loyals) LAA,Royal Artillery

    PrivateWHITE, DOUGLAS JOSEPH
    Service Number 5831312

    Died 21/09/1944

    Aged 28

    2nd Bn.
    Cambridgeshire Regiment

    Son of Joseph and Jessie White, of Letchworth, Hertfordshire.


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  14. papiermache

    papiermache Well-Known Member

    CL1, thanks for adding the pictures of the memorials.

    Guy, thank you for the list.. Some died due to the dreadful conditions before the sinking and were buried in the waters off Manila, wrapped in a shroud with a lump of bauxite to weight it down. The first name on the list of Pte Leslie Angell is particularly poignant because he survived the sinking but was killed on board a fishing vessel the following day when there was a further attack by US fighters.

    I met a survivor in the 1980's, an absolutely charming man, who would do anything he could for anybody else. He worked at a garage serving fuel and would check oil, water, tyres, without any expectation of a tip or asking for one. He served with one of the Cambridgeshire battalions. 2 Cambs suffered the most casualties.

    It's hard to explain but they were a different breed. They suffered terribly after the war, mostly in silence, and many died far too early due to the malnutrition they had endured.
     
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  15. CL1

    CL1 116th LAA and 92nd (Loyals) LAA,Royal Artillery

    PrivateANGELL, LESLIE VICTOR
    Service Number 5951842

    Died 21/09/1944

    Aged 25

    5th Bn.
    Bedfordshire and Hertfordshire Regiment

    Son of Mr. and Mrs. Percy Angell.
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  16. Tricky Dicky

    Tricky Dicky Don'tre member

    CL1 - on your post for

    PrivateWILLEY, STANLEY
    Service Number 5953196
    Died 21/09/1944

    I can only see a George Willey on the memorial ?? did he have Stanley as another forename?

    TD
     
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  17. CL1

    CL1 116th LAA and 92nd (Loyals) LAA,Royal Artillery

    sorry wrong panel now changed
     
  18. Tricky Dicky

    Tricky Dicky Don'tre member

    Was George a brother perhaps??

    I note in Guys list he is Wiley, and the memorial he is Willey

    TD
     
  19. Lee Bradbury

    Lee Bradbury New Member

    My maternal Grandfather would probably have known these men. He was in the 5th Bn but was taken ill prior to embarkation & was discharged soon after.
     
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  20. Extreme

    Extreme Tha Khanun explorer

    This is the full list of B&H on the Hofuku Maru:
    Surname: First Name(s): Rank: Occupation: Service No: Company:
    ANGELL Leslie Victor. Private. Printer. 5951842. B
    BAMBRIDGE Albert Stanley. Private. Butcher. 5950134. B
    BARKER Gordon Leslie. Private. Newsagent. 5951831. B
    BURGESS Arthur William. Sergeant Monumental Major. 5949044. HQ-M.T.
    BURNS Thomas Arthur. Private. Wood Turner. 5952179. HQ-4 Plt
    CALLEWAERT Albert Louis. Private. Newspaper shop assistant. 5951972. D
    CATO Frederick George Bert. Private. Lead Burner. 5952182. HQ-5 (Pioneer) Plt
    CATTERALL Albert. Private. Machinery Builder. 5956862. HQ-3 Plt
    CATTERALL John. Private. Not Translated. 5952645. C
    CAWTHORNE Maurice. Private. Machinist. 5952722. HQ -1 Plt
    CHAMBERLAIN Ernest John. Private. Plumber. 5955761. HQ-6a-Plt
    CHORLTON Geoffrey. Sidney Private Engineer. 5955225. HQ-4 Plt
    CLARKE John. Herbert. Private. Plumber. 5953024. HQ-2 Plt
    COX Robert Henry. Private. Compositor. 5953032. HQ-2 Plt
    CRAWLEY Albert Edward. Private. Felt Hat Worker. 5951900. D
    DIMMOCK John Frederick. Private. Store man. 5950551. B
    DINES Albert Edward. Private. Stonemason. 5955494. HQ-5 (Pioneer) Plt
    EDWARDS Frank Walter. Private. Photographic shop assistant. 5953045. D
    EMERTON Herbert Private. Printer. 5951983. A
    EVANS Stanley. Private. Butcher. 5951363. D
    FOORD Ian Roy. Private. Gardener. 5950532. B
    GAYLER Edward Frederick. Corporal. Gas Fitter.5951112. HQ-5 (Pioneer) Plt
    GILFILLAN Albert. Private. Labourer. 5950591. B
    HADDON Edward Walter. Private. Sawyers Assistant. 5949316. HQ-6a-Plt (Cook Class II)
    HALL Reginald William. Private. Horticulturalist. 5950230. A
    HAND Walter Frederick William. Private. Malt Extract Man. 5956299. D
    HANLON Patrick. Private. Hosiery Presser.5950453. B
    HAYES John George. Private. Hair Dresser. 5952927. HQ-5 (Pioneer) Plt
    HAYNES Frederick. Private. Photographer. 5953076. HQ-3 Plt
    HAYWARD George Henry. Private. Not Translated. 5950564. B
    HEALY Thomas Francis. Private. Not Translated. 5949809. D
    HIGH Harold Wiiliam Private. Butchers Assistant. 5951830. B
    HORNETT James. Corporal. Nursery Worker. 5951995. B
    INGRAM Robert Walter. Private. Nursery Worker. 5949245. B
    IVES Raymond Henry. Private. Goods Checker. 5955606. A
    JACKMAN Harry. Private. Mixer Driver. 5953092. HQ-6 plt-M.T.
    JARVIS Robert. Private. Insurance Agent. 5956643. HQ-4 Plt
    JOHNSON Arthur Charles. Lance Sergeant Ware-houseman. 5952942. D
    KARMY John Joseph. Corporal. Jeweller. 5950118. D
    KEMPSTER Charles. Private. Not Translated. 5956310. HQ-5 (Pioneer) Plt
    LAWRENCE Gordon. Private. Railway Porter. 5951726. HQ-3 Plt
    LAWRENCE Ronald Charles. Private. Gardener. 5952003. SB (Stretcher bearer)
    LEACH William Leslie. Private Railway Worker. 5955631. D
    LEMMON Douglas James William. Private. Corner Shop Assistant. 5955634. HQ-2 Plt
    LOWERY Cyril. Private. Milk Rounds-man. 5956652.A
    MACDONALD Alistair Charles. Private. Labourer. 5951396. A
    MAYNE Frank Private. Confectioner. 5942925. HQ-6a-Plt (Sgts Mess)
    McCUE Bernard. Private. Builder. 5951754. B
    NORMAN Gerald Herbert. Lance Corporal Shop Assistant. 5952006. HQ-4 Plt
    NUGENT Edward. Private Compositor. 5953125. A
    ODELL Eric George. Corporal. Engineer . 5949716. D
    O'MAHONEY James P. Private. Chaplin / Hotel Porter. 5951400. D
    PEASNALL William Wickham Frederick. Private. Tin plate shop worker. 5951403. D
    PERRY Malcolm Alan. Private. Carpenter. 5950095. HQ-5 (Pioneer) Plt
    PLUM Albert George Horace James. Private. Not Translated. 5950318. HQ-5 (Pioneer) Plt
    PRIOR Joseph George. Private. Golfer. 5950196. HQ-4 Plt
    RABONE Thomas William. Private. Groom. 5956692. A
    RICHARDSON William Denis. Private. Tobacconists. 5952012. D
    SINGLETON Tom. Private. Not Translated. 5952632. B
    SULLIVAN Thomas Albert. Private. Copper craftsman. 5951056. B
    WELHAM Robert Ernest. Sergeant. Not Translated. 5946692. HQ-3 Plt
    WILLEY Stanley. Private. Carpenter and Joiner. 5953196. HQ-5 (Pioneer) Plt
    WILTON Lawrence. Corporal. Window Dresser. 5951422. D
    WINSTANLEY James. Sergeant. Not Translated. 5949700. HQ-4 Plt
    WRIGHT William George. Sergeant. Telephone Linesman. 5946307. A
     
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