Royal Ulster Rifles & London Irish Rifles

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  1. bexley84

    bexley84 Well-Known Member

    Rank: Corporal
    Service No: 7014499
    Date of Death: 02/02/1946
    Regiment/Service: Royal Ulster Rifles 70th Bn The London Irish Rifles
    Grave Reference: Plot N. Grave 194041.
    Additional Information: Son of Patrick and Catherine Smith; husband of Doreen Mary Smith, of Chelsea.
    Although recognising that Rifleman Smith died while serving on the home front, interesting that he still had the 70th Bn designation (perhaps he was an instructor) given that the Young Soldiers' units were disbanded in early 1943...and also that James Smith name is not listed on the LIR's War Memorial at Camberwell... I know that a number of mens' names were "missed off" when the Memorial was re-dedicated at the Duke's in the late 1940s.

    best wishes
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  2. bexley84

    bexley84 Well-Known Member

    Rank: Rifleman
    Service No: D/27709
    Date of Death: 16/08/1945
    Regiment/Service: Royal Ulster Rifles
    Grave Reference: Plot 16. Sec. C. Coll. grave 6. (Screen Wall).
    Additional Information: Son of William and Ellen Harding; husband of Rose Gertrude Harding, of Hammersmith, London.
    I met with Rifleman Harding's grandson at the CWGC Service of Thanksgiving at Westminster yesterday (23rd May 2017).
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  3. bamboo43

    bamboo43 Very Senior Member

    I'm not sure if this is the right place to add the following, but having presented the information on Douglas Purchase in post 81 above, I thought I might add what I know of the six men from the RUR, who served on Operation Longcloth.

    Six Men of the Royal Ulster Rifles
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  4. CL1

    CL1 116th LAA and 92nd (Loyals) LAA,Royal Artillery

    Rank: Rifleman
    Service No: 7017886
    Date of Death: 27/03/1945
    Age: 31
    Regiment/Service: Royal Ulster Rifles, 30th Bn.
    Grave Reference: Sec. N.9. Jt. Grv. RN.61182. Screen wall. Panel 13
    Additional Information: Husband of Elsie Tucker, of Stoke Newington.
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  5. CL1

    CL1 116th LAA and 92nd (Loyals) LAA,Royal Artillery

    Rank: Rifleman
    Service No: 7017597
    Date of Death: 15/06/1943
    Age: 23
    Regiment/Service: Royal Ulster Rifles, 2nd Bn. The London Irish Rifles
    Grave Reference: Sec. N.7. Coll. Grv. RN.59085. Screen wall.
    Additional Information: Son of Mr. and Mrs. A. Lane, of Dalston.

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  6. CL1

    CL1 116th LAA and 92nd (Loyals) LAA,Royal Artillery

    Service No:
    Date of Death:
    Royal Ulster Rifles
    8th Bn.
    Grave Reference:
    Sec. M.5. Jt. Grv. RN.57128. Screen wall.

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  7. CL1

    CL1 116th LAA and 92nd (Loyals) LAA,Royal Artillery

    Weather worn


    Rank: Rifleman
    Service No: 6463269
    Date of Death: 28/09/1942
    Age: 21
    Regiment/Service: Royal Ulster Rifles, 2nd Bn. The London Irish Rifles
    Grave Reference: Block 17. Joint Grave 66.
    Additional Information: Son of Dvr. William John Munt, R.A.S.C., died as a result of active service, 27th September, 1943, and of Lily Catherine Munt, of Clapham.

    His Father also died
    Rank: Driver
    Service No: T/1012145
    Date of Death: 27/09/1943
    Age: 53
    Regiment/Service: Royal Army Service Corps
    Grave Reference: Block 17. Joint Grave 66.
    Additional Information:Son of William and Louise Munt; husband of Lily Catherine Munt, of Clapham.

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  8. bexley84

    bexley84 Well-Known Member

    John Frederick Munt must have been on leave or hadn't yet joined up with 2 LIR - he had a Royal Fusiliers army number. 2 LIR were at that time (Sept 1942) training in Ayrshire..they embarked for N Africa on 11th November.
  9. CL1

    CL1 116th LAA and 92nd (Loyals) LAA,Royal Artillery

    Service Number 7015847

    Died 16/07/1943

    Aged 23

    Royal Ulster Rifles

    Son of Alfred James Black and Ellen Elizabeth Black. of Walthamstow.

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  10. jonheyworth

    jonheyworth Senior Member

    From Bridgend South Wales

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  11. bexley84

    bexley84 Well-Known Member

    Lt Grennan's MC is on display at the LIR Museum. grennan3.jpg
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  12. armagh

    armagh Junior Member

    Looking help here I am researching military graves in St Marks Graveyard Armagh with the hope of publication I have a John Cairns RSM Royal Ulster Rifles age 95 died 2004 but cannot find any service details Any suggesting's?
    Geo Center
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  13. CL1

    CL1 116th LAA and 92nd (Loyals) LAA,Royal Artillery


    I have sent a message to a forum member who might be able to add further info

    official link for service records here Get a copy of military service records - GOV.UK
    costs £30
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  14. bexley84

    bexley84 Well-Known Member

    ok...will add more when I come back across the Mekong river later in week.

    RSM Cairns was with the 1st Bn London Irish Rifles in Sicily in July 1943 - I'll trace his movements before/after that date.. he was also on the 1 LIR roll in August 1942 so went out to Iraq with them then.

    From the LIR at War:

    Early in 1942:
    "C.S.M. J. Cairns, who had served as an instructor at the Duke of York’s Headquarters in the old days, became R.S.M., and his promotion was very popular among those who knew his worth..."

    "in August 1942 the roll of officers was:

    Lieut.-Colonel I. H. Good, Commanding Officer.

    Major the Viscount Stopford, Second-in-Command.

    Captain M. D. Ryan, Adjutant.

    Mr. J. Cairns, R.S.M..."

    more later...
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  15. bexley84

    bexley84 Well-Known Member

    Wounded at the end of Feb 1944 at Anzio

    "....Shelling continued and there were further losses. Captain Mace and R.S.M. J. Cairns were wounded, and Major H. Lofting went forward and took over the London Irish company, which yet again was reinforced by young, inexperienced soldiers...."

    Captain Mace received the MC for his actions at Anzio.

    No further mention afterwards of RSM citation or MiD so suspect he went home in 1944 (a guess),
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  16. armagh

    armagh Junior Member

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  18. armagh

    armagh Junior Member

    This could be John Cairns in the 1911 Census England age 1 born Curragh Kildare Ireland Father John age 30 living at 3 Calne Cottages Farnnborough Hampshire in 116 th Battery Royal Field Artillery
    John Cairns Age 30
    Blanche Florence Cairns Age 23
    Albert Henry Cairns Age 5
    John Patrick Cairns Age2
    I would like to confirm that this is RSM John Cairns and family.
    Many thanks for your help
    Geo Armagh
  19. Tricky Dicky

    Tricky Dicky Don'tre member

    John Patrick Cairns in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007
    Name: John Patrick Cairns
    Death Age: 82
    Birth Date: 6 Jan 1910
    Registration Date: Jul 1992
    Registration district: Colchester
    Inferred County: Essex
    Volume: 9
    Page: 1876

    I would be undecided that the John above is exactly the same man as the John below

    1911 England Census
    Name: John Patrick Cairns
    Age in 1911: 1
    Estimated birth year: abt 1910
    Relation to Head: Son
    Gender: Male
    Birth Place: Curragh Resident), Kildare, Ireland
    Civil Parish: Farnborough

    Just to add to the confusion there is another John Cairns born 1910 died in Italy
    John Cairns
    Birth: Abt 1910 - Durham (County (Durham)
    Death: 23 Jan 1944 - Italy
    F: John Cairns
    M: Bridget Cassidy

    Hmm - not going to be easy armagh

    Just found this it might be his birth certificate
    Ireland, Civil Registration Births Index, 1864-1958
    Name: John Patrick Cairns
    Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1910
    Registration district: Naas
    Birth Country: Ireland
    Volume: 2
    Page: 785
    FHL Film Number: 101073
  20. armagh

    armagh Junior Member

    Thanks Tricky Dicky I think you have the correct certificate for John Patrick Cairns registration Naas

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