Sapper Hately/Hateley 44th Leics AA/TA 377 Co

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  1. LesCM19

    LesCM19 "...lets rock!"

    I was wandering round St Peter's Church in the grounds of Gunby Hall in Lincolnshire and came across a solitary war grave:

    Sapper Samuel Hateley (1495900) of 44th (The Leicestershire Regiment) Anti-Aircraft Battalion, RE (TA), 377 Company d.27th March 1940 aged 21

    Believed to have been stationed in Leicester.

    His surname is spelt Hately on the CWGC database.

    Was wondering how to discover more about what befell Sapper Hately/Hateley just before the outbreak of hostilities proper?
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  2. Tricky Dicky

    Tricky Dicky Re member

    UK, Army Roll of Honour, 1939-1945
    Name: Samuel Hateley
    Given Initials: S
    Rank: Sapper
    Death Date: 27 Mar 1940
    Number: 1495900
    Birth Place: Walsall
    Residence: Walsall
    Regiment at Enlistment: Royal Engineers RA
    Branch at Enlistment: Royal Artillery
    Theatre of War: United Kingdom
    Regiment at Death: Royal Engineers RA
    Branch at Death: Royal Artillery

    England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007
    Name: Samuel Hateley
    Death Age: 21
    Birth Date: abt 1919
    Registration Date: Mar 1940
    Registration district: Spilsby
    Inferred County: Lincolnshire
    Volume: 7a
    Page: 1834

    This might provide you with a cause of death that would help in finding out why he died. Might be worth checking out local newspapers as well, we recently had a similar thread that involved a motoring accident.

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  3. Tullybrone

    Tullybrone Senior Member


    You could always apply for his death certificate?

    There were deaths from natural causes - TB was prevalent for instance, or by accident - often in training.

    If you get a death certificate it will give a location so you could research local newspapers in his home area and in the area where he passed away.

    Good Luck

    Steve Y

    Posted simultaneously to TD above.


    CWGC link here - Casualty

    His parents lived in Walsall. Forum member "Graeme" has an interest in Walsall casualties. I've alerted him to this topic.
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  4. Guy Hudson

    Guy Hudson Member

    Lincolnshire Echo 29th March 1940

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  5. LesCM19

    LesCM19 "...lets rock!"

    That's pretty shocking but thank you for the very quick responses, everybody, especially Guy. Sad how a lone grave in an idyllic country churchyard can have such a story behind it and be otherwise forgotten.
  6. Guy Hudson

    Guy Hudson Member

    A very sad story, it's a long time since I've visited Gunby Hall.
  7. CL1

    CL1 116th LAA and 92nd (Loyals) LAA,Royal Artillery Patron

  8. graeme

    graeme Senior Member

    Hi all,

    I'm on holiday for a month but will check my research when I get home and see if I can add anything.

    If there is a picture in the papers, probably not, it will be absolute rubbish but I will check.

    Thanks for the heads up TB.


  9. CL1

    CL1 116th LAA and 92nd (Loyals) LAA,Royal Artillery Patron

    Surname on headstone is correct CWGC confirmed this below

    Thank you for your email below.

    Our Records section has investigated this case and confirmed that the headstone is correct and it was our database that was wrong.

    There was a typographical error in our original register which was later scanned to form our database.

    They have therefore amended our database and this should replicate on our website in due course.

    Thank you for bringing this to our attention.

    Kind Regards
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  10. graeme

    graeme Senior Member


    Back from my hols.

    Nothing at all in our local papers therefore no picture, I'm afraid.

    All I can add is that Samuel was born in Walsall in 1918, the illegitimate son of Annie Hateley. She married William Wood at Walsall on Saturday 22 November 1919 and predeceased her son on Tuesday 16 April 1935.

    I did not know of the above circumstances and am very grateful to all concerned.


  11. CL1

    CL1 116th LAA and 92nd (Loyals) LAA,Royal Artillery Patron

    name changed
    Service Number 1495900

    Died 27/03/1940

    Aged 21

    377 Bty., 44 (4th Bn. The Leicestershire Regt.) A.A. Bn.
    Royal Engineers

    Nephew of Mr. and Mrs. E. Ford, of Walsall, Staffordshire.

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