Sd.Kfz. 300 & Other Remote Control Vehicles.

Discussion in 'Weapons, Technology & Equipment' started by Bodston, Dec 17, 2008.

  1. Bodston

    Bodston Little Willy

    These small one man vehicles were designed and built by Borgward for the purpose of clearing mine fields. Capable of being driven or radio controlled they could tow a set of mine clearing rollers.
    The bodies were constructed from cast concrete to conserve armour plate.

    Minenräum-Wagen Borgward BI (Sd.Kfz. 300)
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    Minenrollern
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    Control vehicle: Kleiner Panzerbefehlswagen I
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    Destroyed
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    The second version was slightly larger with an extra roadwheel and a six cylinder engine.

    Minenräum-Wagen Borgward BII (Sd.Kfz. 300)
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    Crew
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    Rear
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    Destroyed
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    The amphibious version
    Ente (duck)
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    Kummesdorff: Kleiner Panzerbefehlswagen I, Ente, BII
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  2. Paul Reed

    Paul Reed Ubique

    Great photos - not come across this before. How many were made?
     
  3. Bodston

    Bodston Little Willy

    Great photos - not come across this before. How many were made?

    50 of the BI, 1939/40. The books say experimental use only of the BII, but I have read somewhere up to 100. Used in Russia 1941.

    The Ente was prototype only. Only 2 produced.
     
  4. Gerard

    Gerard Seelow/Prora

    First I've heard of these - great discovery Bod!!!
     
  5. von Poop

    von Poop Adaministrator Admin

    After they cropped up yesterday I remembered Spielberger's Stug book has quite a bit on deployment, also confirms BII deployment. the below cribbed & paraphrased from there:

    Formed on June 1st 1940 'Minenraum Kompanie 1' was issued with BIIs/Sd.Kfz.300s and Befehlswagen Pz.1s as command vehicles. Expanded to Battalion size by years end they saw action in June/July 1941 before being withdrawn/reorganised.

    Redeployed in mid 1942 in the East with the designation 'Panzer-Abteilung 300 (F.L.)' - 2 companies equipped with Pz.IIIs as Control tanks & Sd.Kfz.301/BIVs as the Ladungstrager model. Transferred to Heersgruppe Nord in September '42 and renamed again, this time as 'Panzer-Abteilung (FKL) 301'. Stayed out East until early '43 and then returned to Neuruppin for a refit. Later on as the supply of Pz.IIIs dried up they were issued with StuGs as command vehicles.

    Some quite good after-action reports on specific use of Funklenk units in there too.
     
  6. Kuno

    Kuno Very Senior Member

    If the mine-roller is towed... I would think that the towing vehicle is destroyed even before the roller comes near the mines. At least I would not volunteer for a job as a driver of such a vehicle ;-)
     
  7. Smudger Jnr

    Smudger Jnr Our Man in Berlin

    I believe the later variants were driven to the location required and then the driver retired and used radio control from a safe distance!

    Otherwise it would have been a suicidal to drive it into a minefield.

    Regards
    Tom
     
  8. Bodston

    Bodston Little Willy

    I believe the later variants were driven to the location required and then the driver retired and used radio control from a safe distance!

    Otherwise it would have been a suicidal to drive it into a minefield.

    Regards
    Tom

    They all were Tom, even these early ones. With the caveat that they weren't driven under their own power for any great distance, with a top speed of only 5 Km/h they were transported to the battle area.
     
  9. kfz

    kfz Very Senior Member

    Was the idea that it was light enough or tracks narrow enough not to set off large anti tank mines so the rollors could catch them.

    Cant beleive its was terribly effective on any dense minefield if it was a once use only.

    Kev
     
  10. kfz

    kfz Very Senior Member

    Also its interesting what the armour quaities of concrete vs Steel plate. Probably less effective for HEAT but more effective for AP or Shaped charge? No idea??

    Kev
     
  11. Bodston

    Bodston Little Willy

    These vehicles were not the best thought through ideas, let's be honest. They were essentially disposable, if they lasted more than one use then so much the better. They were made of concrete not for any ballistic quality but for cheapness and conservation of the armour plate for more worthwhile machinery.
    They were able to carry a 300Kg explosive charge when under radio control which could be detonated remotely or when set off by a mine. It would clear a 20 metre area of mines. In operation it was found that the trigger was too sensitive and the explosive usually detonated prematurely.
     
  12. von Poop

    von Poop Adaministrator Admin

    I don't think you can judge the whole Ladungstrager type/concept too harshly based purely on the BII. The BIV was a far more 'conventional' vehicle that served in comparatively large numbers when compared with BII, and seems to have proven generally satisfactory and useful in a variety of battlefield niches. Not really that much different from the Funnies and other mildly off the wall engineer equipment -Snake, Conger etc.
     
  13. Bodston

    Bodston Little Willy

    Absolutely. The later versions of the concept were perfectly acceptable. You could argue that if the BI and BII hadn't been so awful the later Sprengladungsträger BIV (Sd.Kfz. 301) would not have been built at all.
     
  14. Bodston

    Bodston Little Willy

    As an aside, does anyone have an opinion on this

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    ripped from that Polish forum, the caption states that it is resident in a Wroclaw museum. Wroclaw in Silesia, south west Poland, does have a military museum.
    Could this be the elusive Borgward BIII? It seems to share some characteristics with the earlier BII and the later BIV. I know that the latter was based on their VK 302 experimental munitions carrier. Or is there another explanation.
     
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  15. Bodston

    Bodston Little Willy

    Hard to tell scale but the closest I can find is the prototype Leichte Ladungsträger Goliath (Sd.Kfz. 302)(E-Motor)

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    Though what it's doing there is curious.
     
  16. von Poop

    von Poop Adaministrator Admin

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  17. Bodston

    Bodston Little Willy

    Excellent navigation, I couldn't track it down.
    So for 'postwar Polish gear' read Soviet?
     
  18. von Poop

    von Poop Adaministrator Admin

    Aye, it's not helping with the googling so far though :unsure:.
    'Izba Tradycji Wojsk Inżynieryjnych' proved quite handy, but haven't found the right search combination yet.

    Maybe time for another hugely humiliating email/translation effort to the museum...
     
  19. Owen

    Owen -- --- -.. MOD

    Maybe time for another hugely humiliating email/translation effort to the museum...


    Adam,
    If you need to email Poland, gimme the text, I'll ask my Polish friend at work to translate it.
     
  20. Smudger Jnr

    Smudger Jnr Our Man in Berlin

    A couple of pages showing the Goliaths and the larger SdKfz 301 with driver onboard.

    The hand transporter for the Goliath is neat!

    Regards
    Tom
     

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