Some good comparison shots on this You Tube Video. YouTube - Sedan 1940 1944 2006 EDIT Found same photos on this website. Gives names of the locations. >>> Sedan One query, are the Germans still buried in that cemetery or have they been moved? In the "Now" photos the grave markers are blank. (I suspect Croonaert can answer that one.)
One query, are the Germans still buried in that cemetery or have they been moved? In the "Now" photos the grave markers are blank. (I suspect Croonaert can answer that one.) They were moved to Noyers-Pont-Maugis soldatenfriedhof in 1959, Owen, as were the great majority of 1940 and later dead.(Most of the WW1 dead in the same cemetery were moved there in 1922). If it's of any interest, Noyers now contains 14,055 WW1 german dead (4938 in the Kameradengrab) and 12785 from WW2 (and there is also the interesting French cemetery "La Marfee" in the same place in which many Germans were originally interred). Don't get me started on the 1870 dead in the area though! Dave
Blimey Dave that was quick. Cheers for that info. Photo here of that cemetery. Cimetière allemand ÃSpam Noyers-Pont-Maugis
That's La Marfee, Owen - the French cemetery (note the CWGC stones towards the back right),not the German one. Dave
Bloody internet! Should've spotted French style graves. Think we need a thread for you Dave, name that cemetery. Noyers on here then? Ardennes 1940 à ceux qui ont résisté
That's more like it! (I remember there being thick "steinkreuzen" crosses there rather than flat plaques, but it's probably my memory playing tricks on me - I've visited that damn many German cemeteries over the past 10 years or so! The hill is correct though, so the picture most likely is - my mind's probably losing it with age!_)
Been looking at this French site about the battle. Some interesting little animated maps to help explain the the fighting there. Ardennes 1940 à ceux qui ont résisté Have a click around the site. I see there is a CharB on display in Stonne. HQ ARRC - Journal - Summer 2003 I found some good German maps here. Frankreichfeldzug 1940
Lots of photos of German graves at Noyers on this forum. That thread has lots on battle at Stonne, also similar thread on Axis History Forum. Stonne: das "Verdun von 1940" - Page 3 - Wehrmacht-Awards.com Militaria Forums
Owen - I was in Stonne back in November. I hadn't been there since 1999 when I spent a happy couple of days exploring the area and following the 'Stonne route' which the locals have put up (with plaques in French, German and English). It's a very interesting battlefield to visit. However, all my pics of it are on wet film, not digital. This is the CharB as of November, however. Not a great picture as we went there late in the day, and light was going (we were also meant to be working, but that's another matter...)
Just looking here again. Sedan The blank grave markers have nothing to do with the Germans anyway. I thought they were where the Germans were originally buried but I was wrong.
That's La Marfee, Owen - the French cemetery (note the CWGC stones towards the back right),not the German one. Dave These'll be the 4 airmen (Wall, Morgan,Hatton and Crane) killed on 14th May 1940. There are also another 8 CWGC headstones (all died 1918) in this cemetery. Dave
Finally found my earlier photo of the Stonne tank. This was taken in 1999 - as you can see different paint scheme!
These'll be the 4 airmen (Wall, Morgan,Hatton and Crane) killed on 14th May 1940. 105 Sqaudron, Villeneuve-les-Vertus Battle L5585. Shot down during attack on bridge at Remilly-Aillicourt and crashed at Noyers-pont-Maugis 4.10pm Possibly that claimed by Lt. Von Reden of 2./JG2. Flying Officer R.N. Wall, Sergeant A.C. Morgan, and LAC H. Hatton killed. Aircraft a write off. 218 Squadron, Auberive-sur-Suippes Battle L5422. Believed shot down by Bf109's during attack on the Meuse bridge at Wadelincourt and crashed between Bulson and Noyers-pont-Maugis 3.40pm. Possibly that claimed by Oberlt. Balfanz of Stab I./JG53. Flying Officer J.F.R. Crane killed. AC1 T.W. Holloway captured. Aircraft a write-off. The Battle of France - Then and Now.
Hello all I'm Fred, the guy from Sedan/France who made this video (and website). I regitered here to answer few questions (if it interest someone anymore). The 2 pics are from the Saint-Charles cimetery, a civilian cimetery from Sedan (now also commonwealth war grave cimetery). The great monument on the background were edified by germans during WW1. We may think that german graves are still there, but it's an optical illusion due to the angle of the picture, I took it to close of the ww1 monument, in fact the germans graves are at the place of the bottom left corner civilians grave (red marked) http://img4.hostingpics.net/pics/175666stc21.jpg http://img4.hostingpics.net/pics/146270stc2.jpg The name (circled in red) are those of ww1 great german officers dead in 1914. Here is another pic of this cimetery http://sedan.1940.free.fr/sedan/sedan/cimetiere%20st%20charles/1.JPG The firt 3 pics are from 1940 (very simple crosses, no time to take off the elders occupant's bones). The last is from 1941 (quality crosses, war has in France has ended). If you have others questions, don't hesitate. Fred
