Stalag VIIIb - Death March

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  1. 52nd Airborne

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    Hi fellow forum posters,

    My grand father was on the death march from Stalag VIIIb, does anyone know what camp(s) the prisoners march back to in Germany?

    Over to you!
     
  2. Owen

    Owen -- --- -.. MOD

    Hello 52nd Airborne (you've lost me on that one).
    Welcome to the Forum.
    Sorry can't help with your query.
     
  3. 52nd Airborne

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    Hi Owen D

    Thanks for your welcome.

    Hello 52nd Airborne (you've lost me on that one).


    52nd Airborne = 2nd(Airborne) Bn Ox & Bucks L.I.

    I hope you're not lost now!
     
  4. lancesergeant

    lancesergeant Senior Member

     
  5. 52nd Airborne

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    Have a look at this site, it might be of help. This bloke from the light infantry, with the 4th Ox and Bucks and took part in the death march.
    http://www.britisharmedforces.org/ns/ns/nat_jack_cottle.htm

    Thanks lancesergeant

    I have looked at the link and unfortunately Jack Cottle was at a different camp. Stalag 8b was renamed in 1943 to Stalag 344 (Lamsdorf).

    Once again many thanks - 52nd Airborne.
     
  6. David Layne

    David Layne Well-Known Member

    To get a better idea about what Allied P.O.W.'s endured at the end of the war read <TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD>THE LAST ESCAPE

    </TD><TD width=10 rowSpan=2>[​IMG]</TD><TD vAlign=top align=right rowSpan=2><!-- logo -->[​IMG] </TD></TR><TR><TD><TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD>THE UNTOLD STORY OF ALLIED PRISONERS OF WAR IN GERMANY 1944-1945
    <!-- contributors go here -->John Nichol - Author
    Tony Rennell - Author </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>I pasted the above after "Googling" "The Last Escape" so it will be easy for you to find and review.

    There was not a singular "Death March" but many many groups of Allied prisoners being marched throughout Germany and German occupied terrritory as the Russian advanced in the East.

    Finding information is hard, I am trying to follow the experiances of my father who was marched out of Stalag Luft III January 28th 1945 and liberated May 2nd in Lubeck and endured the agonys of a "Death March" but finding exact information is difficult.

    Here is a link I got from this website which is very informative.

    http://www.nzetc.org/tm/scholarly/tei-WH2Pris.html
     
  7. 52nd Airborne

    52nd Airborne Green Jacket Brat

    To get a better idea about what Allied P.O.W.'s endured at the end of the war read <TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD>THE LAST ESCAPE






    </TD><TD width=10 rowSpan=2>[​IMG]</TD><TD vAlign=top align=right rowSpan=2><!-- logo -->[​IMG] </TD></TR><TR><TD><TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD>THE UNTOLD STORY OF ALLIED PRISONERS OF WAR IN GERMANY 1944-1945
    <!-- contributors go here -->John Nichol - Author
    Tony Rennell - Author




    </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>I pasted the above after "Googling" "The Last Escape" so it will be easy for you to find and review.

    There was not a singular "Death March" but many many groups of Allied prisoners being marched throughout Germany and German occupied terrritory as the Russian advanced in the East.

    Finding information is hard, I am trying to follow the experiances of my father who was marched out of Stalag Luft III January 28th 1945 and liberated May 2nd in Lubeck and endured the agonys of a "Death March" but finding exact information is difficult.

    Here is a link I got from this website which is very informative.

    http://www.nzetc.org/tm/scholarly/tei-WH2Pris.html

    Hi David

    I have read "The untold Story of allied prisoners of war in Germany 1944-1945" when I found out my grand father was on the death march.

    The book was very informative, but on the downside (for me) the book rarely mentions Stalag VIIIB, so I got little information regarding the camp my grand father was at.

    Many thanks for your post.
    52nd Airborne.
     
  8. David Layne

    David Layne Well-Known Member

  9. 52nd Airborne

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    Try this...................................

    http://www.pegasus-one.org/pow/frames.htm

    Hi David,

    Thanks for the reply.

    I have already found and used this website, I would highly recommend it to anyone who wants details on POW camps. It was a great help to me.

    The webmaster is very helpful, he put me in touch with a soldier who was in the same regiment and was also captured in the same battle as my grand father.

    52nd Airborne.
     
  10. David Layne

    David Layne Well-Known Member

    Hi David,

    Thanks for the reply.

    I have already found and used this website, I would highly recommend it to anyone who wants details on POW camps. It was a great help to me.

    The webmaster is very helpful, he put me in touch with a soldier who was in the same regiment and was also captured in the same battle as my grand father.

    52nd Airborne.


    Did you want to share that?
     
  11. 52nd Airborne

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    Did you want to share that?

    Hi David

    Yes! Once I have finished all the research, and I'm not far off that! I have few more details to collect:
    • I'm still waitng to find out about my grand fathers medal(s).
    • I need to obtain photocopies of the Battalion war diary.
    • I also want to find out whether my grand fathers platoon commander was debriefed after he was released from his POW camp and if so, whether the document is available for viewing at the National Archive.
    I look forward to sharing all my research with the forum soon:)
     
  12. David Layne

    David Layne Well-Known Member

    All P.O.W.'s underwent a debrief. I recently got a copy of my Father's. It was brief to say the least! It listed place of capture and camps imprisoned in. Then lots of N/A answers. Many liberatead prisoners didn't want to bother with this, to them, unnecessary paperwork. Many going as far as to just write "Bullshit" on their debrief. Others of course wrote long and detailed accounts.
     
  13. David Layne

    David Layne Well-Known Member

    This is the best link I have found so far relating to the "Death March" I think I got it from this site.
     
  14. 52nd Airborne

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    Hi David

    Yes! Once I have finished all the research, and I'm not far off that! I have few more details to collect:
    • I'm still waitng to find out about my grand fathers medal(s).
    • I need to obtain photocopies of the Battalion war diary.
    • I also want to find out whether my grand fathers platoon commander was debriefed after he was released from his POW camp and if so, whether the document is available for viewing at the National Archive.
    I look forward to sharing all my research with the forum soon:)

    UPDATE


    1. Medals now received.:D
    2. POW records obtained.:D
    3. Remaining Battalion War Diaries - getting next month from National Archive.:)
    4. Search the National Archive for "Liberated POW Interrogation Questionnaires".:confused: I certainly hope the files are in alphabetical order as I have 140,000 to go through otherwise!!
     
  15. JoHarrison

    JoHarrison Junior Member

    My Grandad was at Stalag VIIIB and has written a book about his time there, it's called Sojourn in Silesia. He also has a website www.lamsdorfreunited.co.uk :)
     
  16. 52nd Airborne

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    Hi Jo

    Lamsdorf was renumbered to Stalag 344 in 1943 (I think) and Stalag VIIIB was at Teschen on the Czech/Polish border, about 80miles south east of Lamsdorf.
     
  17. vailron

    vailron Senior Member

    i remember my father speaking of being on a march from poland to germany? he was taken p o w at tobruk in 1942. i am sure he said he spent some time as a p o w in italy, then poland, then the march to germany. also on the march were russians?? wonder if it it the same march you are talking about??
     
  18. David Layne

    David Layne Well-Known Member

    i remember my father speaking of being on a march from poland to germany? he was taken p o w at tobruk in 1942. i am sure he said he spent some time as a p o w in italy, then poland, then the march to germany. also on the march were russians?? wonder if it it the same march you are talking about??

    As I posted earlier.


    There was not a singular "Death March" but many many groups of Allied prisoners being marched throughout Germany and German occupied terrritory as the Russian advanced in the East.

    Finding information is hard, I am trying to follow the experiances of my father who was marched out of Stalag Luft III January 28th 1945 and liberated May 2nd in Lubeck and endured the agonys of a "Death March" but finding exact information is difficult.
     

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