New information about course 37 courses was held at No2 signals school and No 1 A.G.S See down this post any one can help further. See details about C.F. Laloli front row on the picture. My farther was on course 37 with with 23 other people I have a course photo with all their names on he went on to Pathfinder duty and was on Blenhimes etc I recall a press photo of him and the other crew in front of a Lancaster with the Emb Old Father Time he was at Bircham and finished the war as Flt Lt J S Doughty number 162863. Any info on tracking some history would be great. See picture of course 37 in my Profile on this site Chris Doughty J0688117 There is now a list further down the post of the crew I have been able to find can any one help find the rest????? Examples R1063 B.Ic 115 Sqn KO-D 1941: 6/7th July; Sgt O A Matthews. Ops: Munster. FTR. Shot down by Oblt H Woltersdorf, 4/NJG.1 and crashed into the North Sea off Schiermonnikoog, Dutch Frisian Islands. It is believed that the crew were attempting to make a controlled ditching following a w/t message from the aircraft. W/O A/G Sgt A Webster Hampden AE224 1/2 November, 1941; ANTI-SHIPPING/MINELAYING: Just before 22.00hrs, 4 of the unit's Hampdens set course from Scampton via Mablethorpe for northern Germany. In bright moonlight, 2 of these aircraft went on to successfully plant mines in Kiel Bay, whilst the remaining 2 sought shipping targets off the Frisians. The second aircraft detailed for anti-shipping patrol was piloted by S/Ldr Drakes (AE224) - nothing was heard from this crew after take-off, and they were reported as missing. It is now thought that a night fighter shot them down into the North Sea - their bodies were never recovered. S/Ldr David Baron Drakes and crew are remembered on the Runnymede Memorial. Hampden AE224 (EA-Z) S/L D.B. Drakes Pilot (Missing) P/O V.D. Beaney 2nd Pilot (Missing) P/O W.H. Cheetham A/Ob (Missing) F/S W.A. Watson W/AG (Missing) I have compared the photograph (above) of C E Laloli with a photograph of NZ39242/70466 Charles Francis LALOLI taken at Wigram on 14/8/46 when he was on the staff of the Air Navigation School, Wigram as a staff W/Opr A/G. He certainly could be the same man as the one in the course photograph. Laloli was awarded a DFC, and looks as though he would have been eligible for the Africa Star, Italy Star and Pacific Star as well as others such as Defence Medal, 39/45 Star. He completed a WOAG course in UK between early August and early October 1941 (at 2 Signals School and 1 AGS) before graduating as a Sgt, being posted to 17 OTU, then to the Middle East where he flew with the Khartoum Communications Flight, 22 PTC, 244 Sqdn, and 38 Sqdn, then returning to NZ in March 1944. Subsequently he flew with 1 OTU at OHakea (presume as staff WOAG), then after the war with 41 Sqdn at Whenuapai from Nov 45, to Wigram staff in Feb 1946 beore converting to a Navigator (Wireless) in Feb 1947 and subsequent posting to 75 Sqdn, etc. He also served on 5 Squadron (Sunderland) from 1954, and Hobsonville, including trips to Singapore.
Hello Chris Perhaps if you post any photos/info forum members could assist further. Also have you applied for his service records.possibly a wait of up to a year to get them link below. https://www.gov.uk/requests-for-personal-data-and-service-records regards Clive
Hi put a picture in my Profile folder if you can see it please let me know I am no computer wiz kid. Chris
Hi Chris, You may want to ask an admin to post the photo here for you as you will get more replies. These class photos always bring the losses closer to home. Warrant Officer Peter Galletly: CWGC - Casualty Details POSSIBLY Sgt A. Buxton: CWGC - Casualty Details Regards, Dave
P/O JS Doughty promoted Flying Officer wef 14 March 1944: http://www.google.se/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=3&cad=rja&ved=0CDQQFjAC&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.london-gazette.co.uk%2Fissues%2F36467%2Fsupplements%2F1706%2Fpage.pdf&ei=rMFNUfPKI6Tl4QTX6IHYBQ&usg=AFQjCNEWfRZwRYo-wrwnOOtL7o_NUo7c1Q 162863 Jack Stormont Doughty as Flying Officer, extended service (four years on the active list) wef 31 July 1946: http://www.google.se/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja&ved=0CC8QFjAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.london-gazette.co.uk%2Fissues%2F37708%2Fsupplements%2F4390%2Fpage.pdf&ei=rMFNUfPKI6Tl4QTX6IHYBQ&usg=AFQjCNFlgra4cO-EyTKkT-wsVSXvz_xxcQ 162863 Jack Stormont Doughty appointed permanent commission as Flight Lieutenant wef 12 August 1952: http://www.google.se/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&ved=0CCoQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.london-gazette.co.uk%2Fissues%2F39686%2Fsupplements%2F5805%2Fpage.pdf&ei=rMFNUfPKI6Tl4QTX6IHYBQ&usg=AFQjCNFMEbX6tzRRMtEXh3D4q3xfxFin2w Regards, Dave
P/O JS Doughty promoted Flying Officer wef 14 March 1944: http://www.google.se/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=3&cad=rja&ved=0CDQQFjAC&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.london-gazette.co.uk%2Fissues%2F36467%2Fsupplements%2F1706%2Fpage.pdf&ei=rMFNUfPKI6Tl4QTX6IHYBQ&usg=AFQjCNEWfRZwRYo-wrwnOOtL7o_NUo7c1Q 162863 Jack Stormont Doughty as Flying Officer, extended service (four years on the active list) wef 31 July 1946: http://www.google.se/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja&ved=0CC8QFjAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.london-gazette.co.uk%2Fissues%2F37708%2Fsupplements%2F4390%2Fpage.pdf&ei=rMFNUfPKI6Tl4QTX6IHYBQ&usg=AFQjCNFlgra4cO-EyTKkT-wsVSXvz_xxcQ 162863 Jack Stormont Doughty appointed permanent commission as Flight Lieutenant wef 12 August 1952: http://www.google.se/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&ved=0CCoQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.london-gazette.co.uk%2Fissues%2F39686%2Fsupplements%2F5805%2Fpage.pdf&ei=rMFNUfPKI6Tl4QTX6IHYBQ&usg=AFQjCNFMEbX6tzRRMtEXh3D4q3xfxFin2w Regards, Dave Thank you very much for the details you sent its great to be able to find stuff. Chris
You could research the casualties from this picture and see if you can find out with which squadron they were flying. From there you could search for the Operational Training Unit where this picture could be taken.
Hi all I have gone through the list of names of the people on course 37 and checked them against the WW11 records on the Vets site and of the 23 W/O A/Gs on the course 14 were Killed in action 2 were P.O.Ws 6 I can find no record and last my father. Not very good odds
Hi I went through the names listed today on the Bomber Com web site and found 19 lost in action with dates and Sqd all between 1941-1944. Thanks for the tip still can not find much on my father. Chris
Hi got this far with the people on the course can any one help fill in the missing details NAME SQN. LOCATION DATE A/C REG. J R SUTTON 192 Crashed 22/11/44 MZ 806 TRIMBLE 207 BREMEN 7/10/44 ME 667 PENNY 214 ESSEN 11/4/42 HF 856 PICKERING 88 PONT-AU-VENDIN 31/10/42 Z 2179 HALSTEAD 460 KENT 9/7/43 ED 369 WATSON 115 IJSSLEIMER 4/8/41 R 1800 WEBSTER 115 MUNSTER 6/7/41 R 1063 RICHMOND 21 21/4/43 AE 743 NEWMAN 78 ESSEN 8/6/44 MZ 568 GALLETLY 31/5/44 ENTWHISTLE 15 BERLIN 16/2/44 ED 628 ECCLES 15 4/7/43 EF 579 ALLEN 90 EERBEEK 13/6/44 LM 158 REES 15 HAMBURG 30/6/41 N 6016 BUXTON 103 8/9/43 JB 153 C E LALOLI ?????? ??????????? 1945 ?????? THOMSON ?????? ??????????? ????? VERNER ?????? ??????????? ????? BIRD ?????? ?????????? ????? STUDLY ?????? ?????????? ????? DRYSDALE ?????? ?????????? ????? DOUGHTY Chris
I wish I could tell you I can not find the location of the course in the picture you can look up service records of past members on the vets site I can find my own there but there is very little detail as can be seen from my list of course 37 Chris
Rees, Watson and Webster were the first to get killed in action. I will have a look up for them later today.
Watson and Webster flew with 115 Squadron. I found two newspaper articles about their fellow crewmembers, mentioning they arrived in England for their last part of training (OTU) in February 1941. Uncertain if this was at the same OTU as your father. But it might point us in a direction of the date on which the picture of 37 Course was taken. Does anyone hold a copy of the 115 Squadron ORB's Summary of Events? Perhaps it mentions from which OTU these airmen were posted to the squadron?
Hi Chris, When I read this page you posted this name on 27 april 2013 ALLEN 90 EERBEEK 13/6/44 LM 158 I'm a dutch student who is doing some research about two awards my gray-grantfather got from the U.S and United Kingdom. See my new topic But can you tell me anything about this Allen? thanks in advance.
