Who was Frost referring to?

Discussion in 'Airborne' started by Tomkil, Dec 29, 2012.

  1. Tomkil

    Tomkil Junior Member

    Just been reading John Frost's excellent 'A Drop Too Many' in which he details his involvement in the landings on Sicily. He mentions, in passing, an officer, previously decorated for bravery, who somehow managed to avoid the fighting and turned up "fresh, clean and untroubled" after it was all over. Frost goes on to say that the officer left the battalion, "prospered greatly and became a byword in more ways than one". I'm intrigued. Who can this man have been and how did he become a byword? Anyone have any ideas?
     
  2. Tom Canning

    Tom Canning WW2 Veteran WW2 Veteran

    Tomkil

    you can just about take your pick as way too many managed to avoid battle by one means or other.....they were called scroungers

    Cheers
     
  3. Callisto

    Callisto Twitter ye not

    Tomkil

    you can just about take your pick as way too many managed to avoid battle by one means or other.....they were called scroungers

    Cheers

    Maybe the word slacker is a more appropriate term than scrounger.
     
  4. Drew5233

    Drew5233 #FuturePilot 1940 Obsessive

    Assuming this is 2 Para what date are we looking at ?
     
  5. Tom Canning

    Tom Canning WW2 Veteran WW2 Veteran

    Drew
    Sicily landings by paras was 9/10th July '43

    Cheers
     
  6. Drew5233

    Drew5233 #FuturePilot 1940 Obsessive

    2 Paras officer field return only shows 4 officers with gallantry awards on the 3rd July:

    Frost DSO MC

    Lonsdale MC

    Ross DSO

    Brayley MC

    Never heard of any of them :lol:
     
  7. idler

    idler GeneralList

    If that's Dickie Lonsdale of Lonsdale Force / speech in Oosterbeek Church fame, he became rather famous for, well, Lonsdale Force and his speech in Oosterbeek Church. I believe he was associated with 2 Bn (2i/c?) at some time, but not at Arnhem.
     
  8. Drew5233

    Drew5233 #FuturePilot 1940 Obsessive

    T/Major Lane DWR was 2ic before Sicily and then T/Major Fitch, Mancs took the roll mid July 43.
     
  9. Drew5233

    Drew5233 #FuturePilot 1940 Obsessive

    I wonder if he was OC B Coy? On the 15th July at 1100 hrs the diary says:

    OC B Coy with about 8 men rejoins the Bn after having made his way from the lower slopes of Mt Etna.
     
  10. Owen

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  11. Drew5233

    Drew5233 #FuturePilot 1940 Obsessive

    Can't be him. It looks like he was in the thick of the fighting and got a DSO for his troubles.
     
  12. Drew5233

    Drew5233 #FuturePilot 1940 Obsessive

    Just noticed its only taken you 30 months to post a Q :lol:
     
  13. Drew5233

    Drew5233 #FuturePilot 1940 Obsessive

    Officers Nominal Roll for June 1943
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    Officers Nominal Roll for July 1943
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  14. Owen

    Owen -- --- -.. MOD

  15. idler

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  16. DaveB

    DaveB Very Senior Member

    What about Brayley? - he became very successful

    Desmond Brayley, Baron Brayley - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    John Desmond Brayley, Baron Brayley MC DL (29 January 1917 – 16 March 1977) was a British Army officer and businessman who had a brief, scandal-hit career as a Government minister

    At the age of 17 he joined the Royal Artillery and later became a physical training instructor. He was an enthusiastic boxer and became Army Boxing Champion. During the war he served in the Parachute Regiment, winning the Military Cross in 1942 for action in the North African desert campaign. He was part of a unit - a forerunner for today's special forces, set up to train soldiers to parachute behind enemy lines and cause as much disruption to the enemy as possible. He also served in Sicily and Crete and was mentioned in despatches (23 September 1943).

    He was awarded government office in March 1974 as Under Secretary for the Army. At this point he resigned as chairman of his company, and sold his shares for over £1 million. After inquiries were made into a company with which he had been involved, he signed a letter of resignation rather than cause the Prime Minister any embarrassment. Despite an initial but extensive enquiry into his business dealings nothing was ever proved before his death in 1977.



    (The book was written in 1980 and he probably didn't want to name the recently deceased ex-officer)
     
  17. idler

    idler GeneralList

    First edition was 1980, so the 'scandal' could have prompted the memory?

    There's no Brayley in the 1994 revised edition's index, for what it's worth.
     
  18. Steve Mac

    Steve Mac Very Senior Member

    You need to narrow the search by finding those previously decorated Officers who left the battalion!

    Best,

    Steve.
     
  19. horsapassenger

    horsapassenger Senior Member

    I would suggest looking at the left hand side of the Field return of officers to identify those who "Quitted or were posted" during the relevant period.

    John
     
  20. Paul Pariso

    Paul Pariso Very Senior Member

    How about Elliott? Had an MBE and was on the bench with 1st Reinforcements. I can't say that I recognise the name.

    LG only has two hits for his service number: a transfer from RA to AAC and a postwar promotion to Lt RA with seniority backdated to 1941.

    James Roland Elliott left 2 Para (date N/K) and by January 1944 was back with the RA, this time with 2nd (Oban) A/L Anti-Tank Bty. He fought at Arnhem as a Battery Captain and 2ic of the unit and was taken POW. Held at Oflag 79 (Braunschweig) as POW number 543. He died in 1985.

    All the best..........
     

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