WW2 Death Card of 12th SS Panzer Division Hitlerjugend Andreas Seibold.Killed on Dday+1 in Normandy

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  1. Jeremiah

    Jeremiah Well-Known Member

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    Andreas was born on December 31st 1925 in Oberwildenau. He was a previous member of the Hitler youth and ended up in the 12th SS Panzer Hitlerjugend division. He was in Buron, which lies just northwest of Caen, and not far from Sword and Juno Beach, when he was killed in action on June 7th 1944. The village was the scene of fighting that day between the Canadian 27th Armoured Regiment aided by the North Nova Scoatia Highlanders, and elements of the SS-Panzer-Regiment 12, part of the Hitlerjugend division. He is buried in a cemetery in Bazenville. From my collection.
     
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  2. Lesieur

    Lesieur Member

    Thank you for the document and explanation. I'm writting a book about Bazenville where Andreas is buried and I would like to know if you have more informations about soldiers buried there of about Bazenville in itself. Would it be possible to use this document, quoting you as a source of course. I would like to write about some soldiers buried or killed in Bazenville.
    Regards, Alexandra
     
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  3. Lindele

    Lindele formerly HA96

    Hi Alexandra,
    interesting that you are writing a book about this subject. Would it help you to know more about the family of Andreas.
    I am almost certain that in Burglengenfeld his family would also love to know about your book.
    Stefan.
     
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  4. Jeremiah

    Jeremiah Well-Known Member

    Hello. Unfortunately I don’t have any further information regarding others buried there. And yes you can use it, I don’t mind. Good luck on your book!
     
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  5. davidbfpo

    davidbfpo Patron Patron

    Alexandra,

    A month ago now I finished reading 'D-Day Through German Eyes: How The Wehrmacht Lost France' by Jonathan Trigg, published in paperback 2020.

    I'd never heard of the author and as many of books are about the German SS foreign formations I was a little wary. Turned out to be good read, with particular sections on the ex-Soviet Hiwis fighting in the Wehrmacht, 10% of the troops in Normandy and more background. The combat aspects are grim, as material overwhelmed the Wehrmacht and Waffen-SS.

    There are a good number of references in the book to the Hitler Jugend division; none for your village though.

    There are other outlets: https://www.amazon.co.uk/D-Day-Thro...-2-spons&sp_csd=d2lkZ2V0TmFtZT1zcF9hdGY&psc=1

    The author's website: Jonathan Trigg
     
  6. Lesieur

    Lesieur Member

    Merci for your answers. Thanks Jeremiah for letting me use it.
    Stefan, it's a good idea. Have you got an idea how I can find his family in Burglengenfeld by any chance?
    David, thank you for the reference, I didn't know this book. I'll contact the author.
     
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  7. Lindele

    Lindele formerly HA96

    I think so, it is certainly worth trying. Some time ago, I looked for another soldier and was lucky.
    Stefan.
     
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  8. Lindele

    Lindele formerly HA96

    I have sent an Email to the town administration of Burglengenfeld.
    The answer make take at least until Mid next week.
    Stefan.
     
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  9. Lesieur

    Lesieur Member

    Merci beaucoup, that's very kind. It's a good idea!
     
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  10. Harry Ree

    Harry Ree Very Senior Member

    An interesting story developing regarding a German battlefield casualty and the movements of the 12SS Panzer Division, closely controlled by Hitler.

    The 12SS Panzer Division was based at Lisieux when in the early hours of D Day, Von Rundstedt and Rommel, aware of a potential deteriorating situation pleaded with Hitler to release the division and ease the situation in the battle area that was likely to develop. Hitler's agreement to the movement was reached at 1400 and the order was received by the 7th Army HQ at 1600 on D Day but Hitler reserved deployment. Allied air supremacy prevented an orderly movement of armour and it became obvious from Allied air reconnaissance of the 12SS that the destination was Caen but it was thought that they would not arrive in the battle area by the end of D Day. However it was expected that they would be in a position to be in the Caen area by D Day +1.This background would explain why Obergrenadier Siebold fell in the battle area around Caen on D Day +1

    Also involved in the Hitler agreement to allow divisional movement to the battle area was the Panzer Lehr Division but their movement was from the Chartres area. Their progress would be subject to Allied air supremacy

    Incidentally, the cemetery at Bazenville, situated on the 69e Brigade Britannique is better known to the British as the CWGC Ryes War Cemetery.
     
  11. Sheldrake

    Sheldrake All over the place....

    This is what the German War Graves charity has on him.
    Andreas Seibold | Gräbersuche-Online

    I would be careful relying on anything in Jonathan Trigg's book.

    There are several histories of the 12 SS

    There is a history by Hubert Meyer the wartime IA / Chief of Staff oif the Division. He was an unrepentent Nazi but his narrative is based on the veterans stories. https://www.amazon.co.uk/12th-SS-Division-Stackpole-Military/dp/0811731987
    https://www.amazon.co.uk/History-12-SS-Panzerdivision-Hitlerjugend-Hubert-Meyer/dp/0921991185

    Tim Saunders and Richard Hone wriote 12th Hitlerjugend SS Panzer Division in Normandy
    https://www.amazon.co.uk/12th-Hitle...refix=12+ss+tim+saunders,stripbooks,83&sr=1-1
    I know Tim Intervewed Meyer about 15 years ago.

    There is a revised Canadian view of the Battle for Buron by Marc Milner. Stopping the Panzers: The Untold Story of D-Day (Modern War Studies) THis is a new look at the Canadian operations including the one in which Ober Greandiere Seibold died.
    https://www.amazon.co.uk/Stopping-P...oks&sprefix=milner+d+day,stripbooks,78&sr=1-1
     
  12. Lindele

    Lindele formerly HA96

     
  13. Lindele

    Lindele formerly HA96

    Hi all,
    I sent the information received from Burglengenfeld, but somehow it did not work.
    Owen, can you please check where I went wrong? As an alternative I re-write it.
    Would it be of interest which German officer informed the family?
    Stefan.
     
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  14. Lindele

    Lindele formerly HA96

    ok, I try to re-write the message.
    The parents of Andreas died too early in 1933, so eventually he was taken on by the Bakery family Paintmeier in Burglengenfeld and Andreas became a baker too.
    The message was sent to the family by Oberleutnant Einicke
    What a fate for Andreas.
    Stefan.



     
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  15. JDKR

    JDKR Member

    I have just been in France and had some time on my hands before catching last night’s Ouistreham-Pompey ferry so visited the Bazenville/Ryes CWGC cemetery to identify Andreas Seibold’s grave. See photos. Best wishes.
     

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  16. JDKR

    JDKR Member

    ….ooops, sent before attaching the last photograph….
     

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  17. Lindele

    Lindele formerly HA96

    send them


    Brilliant pics. Would you mind if I send them to the Archives in Burglengenfeld?
    What source should I tell them: WW2 Talk or your name? For the name, you could send me a PM.
    Stefan.
     
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  18. JDKR

    JDKR Member

    Delighted for you to forward the pictures to the archives and for you to use ‘WW2 Talk’ as the source if that works for you.

    BTW, I will post a question on WW2 Talk to see if anyone knows why German servicemen were buried in this British cemetery and, as it’s the first cemetery where I have seen it, if this was common practice.

    Best wishes
     
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