Hello all, does anybody have any idea what 'industry groups' listed on service records relate to, or where i can find definitions ? They obviously relate to trade qualifications or skills but i cannot find anything more specific. The group i'm interested in is listed as - 'SP' Mac.
Hello Mac, I have stumbled across this and thought I remembered a question on the subject. Admiralty Fleet Orders, Manpower—Re-Allocation [9 August 1945] AFO 4386/45, Block Releases in Class B—Clay, Sand, Gravel and Chalk Pit Digging “Industry Group SP Clay, Sand, Gravel and Chalk Pit Digging”. Hope it helps. Regards, Richard
Whilst researching occupational classifications (ie the numbers after the Industrial Trade Group Code) using documents held at the National Archives, I came across a reference which said that "the List of Industrial Trade Groups is in document E.D.526A"; as yet, I have not been able to track this document down. Richard, your document is the furthest I have got in identifying some of these codes; do you know if there are any more of these documents that I can use to possibly build up a complete list of trade groups? Regards Pete
Pete, You will find all the occupation classifications in LAB 29 at TNA. ED526 was subject to regular updates this is for 1941 http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C2699862 This is the 1931 original http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C2699860 Part II from 1937 is LAB 29/174 Ross .
Hello Pete, Have a look at the Royal Australian Navy site; Admiralty Fleet Orders. 1945 has some AFOs titled "Manpower – Re-allocation". These contain several examples of Industry Groups and Occupational Classifications. Good luck with your list. Regards, Richard
Ross Thanks for the feedback; as yet, we have been unable to find the Industry Group listing in any of the LAB29 files Richard Thanks for your feedback too: I have just ploughed through the various listings and come up with the following Industry Groups. The listing is obviously incomplete but it may be a useful start point. If anyone else has any they can add please let me know and I will update the list: AB Building and Decorating AC Public Works Contracting, Construction of works (other buildings), Mine and Well Sinking CD General Engineering, including Boilermaking (not marine) CE Stoves, Grates, Ranges, Pipes, Cast Iron Hollow Ware, Iron Castings, General Ironfounding CN Electrical Engineering DE Railway Carriage and Wagon, Tramcar and Trolley Car, Building and Repairing FH Paint, Varnish, Japan, Red and White Lead Manufacture GC Steel Melting and Iron Puddling Furnaces, Iron and Steel Rolling Mills and Forges GK Electric Cables, Electric Apparatus Manufacture GS Nail Manufacture GW Miscellaneous Metal Industries GWW Miscellaneous Metal Industries [Metal Windows and Doors] KA Rubber Manufacture MA Bricks, Pipes, Tiles, Fireclay Goods Making MB Pottery, Earthenware, China, Porcelain, Glazed Tiles MD Cement Manufacture, LimeKilns and Whiting Works MF Artificial Stone and Concrete Manufacture; Patent Fuel; Stone, Emery, Flint, Canister etc; Grinding and Crushing MP Glass Manufacture MT Glass Bottle Making NXL Laundry Service PH Commerce and Banking SA Coal Mining SE Stone Quarrying and Mining SF Slate Quarrying and Mining SH Mining and Quarrying SP Clay, Sand, Gravel, and Chalk Pit Digging VAS Cotton Operatives (Cotton Preparing, Spinning etc) VAW Cotton Manufacturing (Weaving etc) VB Woollen and Worsted Industry VW Textile Bleaching, Printing, Dyeing, Finishing etc WA Tailoring WB Dress and Mantle Making, Millinery WX Boot, Shoe, Slipper and Clog Trades XA Bread, Biscuits, Cake etc making XB Cigarette Manufacture XD Grain Milling XH Food Industries ZA Gas, Water and Electricity Supply Industries ZAE Electricity Supply Industries ZE Distributive Trades ZHC National Government Service ZHF National Fire Service ZK Local Government Services
Richard, thank you very much for clearing that one up. It corroborates nicely what i already know about my Grandfather's post war career. He did end up working on plant in gravel pits but i never knew for sure where he gained the skills and qualifications from to do that. I now know this was as a result of his wartime RE qualifications. Thanks again, Mac.
I found this interesting, but irrelevant, list of occupation code numbers used for the 1931 census. They are different numbers to those used on the military service records. There are codes for acrobats (849), lion tamers (849), sunshade stick makers (422), egg breakers (940), archbishops (Anglican Church) (770) etc. My father’s service records include an “Industry Group and Occupational Classification Questionnaire under the provisions of ACI 183 of 1941”. The codes have then been added by someone else. Would this Army Council Instruction give any clues as to the whereabouts of any code lists? (WO 293/26). Richard
