Can you believe it?

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  1. Za Rodinu

    Za Rodinu Hot air manufacturer

    Hero's tale is 'too positive' for the BBC

    Hero's tale is 'too positive' for the BBC | International News | News | Telegraph

    Amid the deaths and the grim daily struggle bravely borne by Britain's forces in southern Iraq, one tale of heroism stands out.
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    Private Johnson Beharry's courage in rescuing an ambushed foot patrol then, in a second act, saving his vehicle's crew despite his own terrible injuries earned him a Victoria Cross.
    For the BBC, however, his story is "too positive" about the conflict.

    The corporation has cancelled the commission for a 90-minute drama about Britain's youngest surviving Victoria Cross hero because it feared it would alienate members of the audience opposed to the war in Iraq.


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    Full citation here: news.mod.uk - Latest News
     
  2. von Poop

    von Poop Adaministrator Admin

    :mellow:

    It's 'Tommy this' and 'Tommy that'...
     
  3. Owen

    Owen -- --- -.. MOD

    Now that does p*ss me off.
    Iraq is a mess, true, but that is no reason to not show Beharry VC's story.
    Bloody stupid atitudes we seem to have in the UK nowadays.
    AAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHH!!!
     
  4. Kitty

    Kitty Very Senior Member

    And we have to pay the license fee. Bastards. And I will allow all bad language on this one.
     
  5. Owen

    Owen -- --- -.. MOD

  6. Peter Clare

    Peter Clare Very Senior Member

  7. Rich Payne

    Rich Payne Rivet Counter Patron 1940 Obsessive

    I had to read that twice. "How many squares in any one sitting"!

    Perhaps we should go back to the good old days ?

    In days of old,when knights were bold
    and paper wasn't invented...
    They wiped their a**e on a blade of grass
    and went away contented.

    Well, it used to make me laugh when I was seven or so.
     
  8. von Poop

    von Poop Adaministrator Admin

    Beware the immenent return of... The Bottom Inspectors.
    [​IMG]
    I'm sure a consultative paper is being drawn up by the Home Office as we speak.
     
  9. Andy in West Oz

    Andy in West Oz Senior Member

    There's been a lot of talk recently about how many "do this, don't do that" signs there are in Perth and how regulated we are. However, we've got nothing on you guys! Excessive toilet paper use? Puhlease! :banghead:

    What happened to the days when a young VC recipient was celebrated not regarded as an embarrassment?

    I met a bloke on Saturday night. He is 34 and knows absolutely, positively nothing about WWII or how it started or whatever! The father of our friend gave him a brief run down but, and I got told off a little for asking this when he had left, how do you make it to 34 and not pick up any knowledge about the war, indeed why you live a free life today?! Maybe I expect a bit too much of those around my age?

    Starting to rant so will sign off!
     
  10. spidge

    spidge RAAF RESEARCHER

    I met a bloke on Saturday night. He is 34 and knows absolutely, positively nothing about WWII or how it started or whatever! The father of our friend gave him a brief run down but, and I got told off a little for asking this when he had left, how do you make it to 34 and not pick up any knowledge about the war, indeed why you live a free life today?! Maybe I expect a bit too much of those around my age?

    History is history is history!

    Many educators these days are selective on what parts of history they teach. The reasons for the declarations of WW1 and WW2, good or bad should be mandatory to all non primary class levels for at least two consecutive years.

    I recall in year 7 at college in 1963 when my father would not talk about the war, I asked my history teacher before one Anzac day to tell us about the two world wars.

    His answer:

    I will tell you about WW1 & WW2 in two words. WE WON!

    Now let's continue with our British history lesson!!:mad111::mad111::mad111:
     
  11. Ron Goldstein

    Ron Goldstein WW2 Veteran WW2 Veteran

    Hi Andy
    I met a bloke on Saturday night. He is 34 and knows absolutely, positively nothing about WWII or how it started or whatever! The father of our friend gave him a brief run down but, and I got told off a little for asking this when he had left, how do you make it to 34 and not pick up any knowledge about the war, indeed why you live a free life today?! Maybe I expect a bit too much of those around my age?


    Talk about coincidences !

    I sent the following letter to the Times only the other day (un-published as yet) that you could file alongside your 34 year old know-nought !

    The letter went as follows:

    "Dear Sir

    I was recently round at a friends house, where I was paying my weekly visit to help him brush up his computer skills.

    He had a particular problem on his computer that needed a solution from the company that had sold him the system and I found myself, on his behalf, chatting on the phone with a British computer expert.

    When the expert proceeded to operate the PC by remote control, he was interested to see that the screen saver showed my friend visiting a war cemetery.

    I pointed out that the photo displayed was that of my friend re-visiting the CWGC Cemetery at Cassino and mentioned that he and I had both served there in the same Light Ack-Ack unit .

    The conversation then went something like this:

    Expert: Where did you say that was?
    Me: Cassino
    Expert: Where's that?
    Me: May I ask how old you are?
    Expert: Thirty-nine
    Me: Are you seriously telling me that you've never heard of Cassino?
    Expert: No, where is it
    Me: Italy.... and tell me, did you not have any relatives who served in WW2?
    Expert: Yes, one in the Navy and one in the RAF, but they have both since passed away.

    I got him to promise me that he would look up "Cassino" on the internet after he had put the computer problem to rights and then when he eventually hung up my friend and I simply stared at each other.

    Please tell me that other people of a similar age group have heard of Cassino, or am I asking too much ?"

    Cheers

    Ron
     
  12. von Poop

    von Poop Adaministrator Admin

    That's actually quite scary, Nobody expects everyone to be as interested as the people on here but to have completely no idea by your thirties is peculiar. The only hope I can have is that some people are just plain thick, and know absolutely nothing about anything, and those with some intelligence at least continue to have a basic awareness.
    Ah well, I know absolutely nothing about Pop Idol... this pleases me.
     
  13. Owen

    Owen -- --- -.. MOD

    Ron,
    After reading your post this morning , whilst my kids were getting ready for school I popped upstairs to ask my two oldest, 8 & 6.
    "When was WW2?"
    "62 years ago" said my 8 year old.
    "How do you know that?" I replied .
    "Cos it was 61 years ago last year, Dad."
    "OK, well done, who fought in the war?" I asked meaning what countries.
    "Great-Grandad!" was the answer I recieved. :)
     
  14. von Poop

    von Poop Adaministrator Admin

    I'll second that, my 5 year old took a wooden model of a Lincoln his grandad carved into school for 'show and tell' the other day.

    Poor little sods, it's a kind of indoctrination isn't it ;).
     
  15. Ron Goldstein

    Ron Goldstein WW2 Veteran WW2 Veteran

    Ron,
    After reading your post this morning , whilst my kids were getting ready for school I popped upstairs to ask my two oldest, 8 & 6.
    "When was WW2?"
    "62 years ago" said my 8 year old.
    "How do you know that?" I replied .
    "Cos it was 61 years ago last year, Dad."
    "OK, well done, who fought in the war?" I asked meaning what countries.
    "Great-Grandad!" was the answer I recieved
    Owen

    Owen

    Now go and give your kids a hug from me and tell them the hug is from someone who was there :)
    Ron
     
  16. Andy in West Oz

    Andy in West Oz Senior Member

    Sounds like we are all encountering people like this. I wish patience and clarity upon us all so that we can spread the word! :D

    So when will we be seeing the kids on here?
     
  17. Peter Clare

    Peter Clare Very Senior Member

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    Peter Clare Very Senior Member

  19. spidge

    spidge RAAF RESEARCHER

    Surely they can apply for an exemption as they can do in Australia when they require a specific type of person.

    This garbage has turned full circle.
     
  20. CTNana

    CTNana Member

    Ron
    I am 60+ and am both embarrassed and ashamed to say that I too had never heard of Cassino, nor of the many other places I have read about in the last month or so. Dad only ever related two silly stories of his involvement in the war; our History syllabus ended I think with the Boer War, and I think like most of the immmediate post-war children we were convinced that we were going to change everything so it would never happen again.

    I somehow assimilated information on why the war started, the horrific treatment of Jews and the holocaust, and I suppose any other knowledge would have been gleaned from films, books and the like.

    I somehow understood that our family were exceptionally fortunate in that the war claimed no immediate victims either at home or abroad.

    Our middleaged children only know whatever normal home conversations generated, so again were probably only aware of general topics rather than specific battles and landmarks. As I have tried to discover more about Dad's war years, we have all read with equal horror, pain, amusement and humility the many experiences of yourself and many others.

    Does it sound illogical to say that I have always felt indebted to your generation and know that this has been carried on to our children and grandchildren even though my knowledge of specifics was scanty.

    I still shudder to think that we are sometimes forced to try to resolve problems in this way, wish it were otherwise.

    With deepest respect to you and your peers
    CTNana
     

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