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  1. hucks216

    hucks216 Member

    Here is the entry for Ludwig Israel in the Ancestry -
    Germany, Index of Jews Whose German Nationality....etc etc section. Also included is his birth registry entry showing his father was Oskar and his mother was Bianka and the family name was actually Israel long before the Nazi's came to power.

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  2. AB64

    AB64 Senior Member

    Ideal, I'd been hunting about in the assumption that wasn't the actual family name, no wonder I wasn't getting anywhere
     
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  3. hucks216

    hucks216 Member

    Here is the entry for Berthold Tendlau in the Ancestry - Registration of Foreigners & German Persecutees 1939-1947 section. Unfortunately his birth registry entry doesn't exist on Ancestry but his father is listed as Maier and mother is Bertha. Also included is his marriage registry entry - married on 30th October 1905 to Gertrud Charlotte Rothenstein. His father's name is listed as Max this time.

    There is a mention of a Berthold Tendlau on a German WW1 casualty list dated for 1st September 1916 but I can not locate his name in the list at the moment. Obviously no guarantee it is the same person.

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  4. hucks216

    hucks216 Member

    What is interesting about Berthold & Gertrud's marriage registry above is that even though the entry was made in 1905, the Nazi's have gone through the registry and annotated the page. Half way down you can see the entry that states by the Law on the change of surnames and first names from 17th August 1938 the mentioned wife also has the first name Sara.

    Not sure if you already have this for Max John Tendlau:
    From the Ancestry Registration of Foreigners & German Persecutees 1939-1947 section
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    This is a casualty list for WW1 and lists Max John's grandfather - Max (Berthold's father) - who served in 12 Kompanie of Reserve-Infanterie-Regiment 72 and died of his wounds on 7th June 1916. His name is at the very bottom of the middle column. Today he lies buried in the Azannes II cemetery in France.
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  5. AB64

    AB64 Senior Member

    More great stuff - I have been going through the Weiss family (still checking) and looks like his father may already have been deceased - his mother Emilie died in Terezen, his brother Dr Friederich Paul died in Auschwitz, his (I think Twin) sister Rosa Wilhelmine died in Sobibor and his brother Otto Karl also came to England pre-War so was safe, there may have been another sister but the note I found online about it gave the impression it may not be 100% certain
     
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  6. AB64

    AB64 Senior Member

    Been working on digging into Erwin Peter Hamburger, his parents were Martin and Kathe and both were murdered in Auschwitz - there are Stolperstein in Berlin for both - I'll need to visit when next I am there. He had a brother Alexander who also escaped to England but died in Canada in 1941 - I am wondering if he was maybe doing aircrew training or something, still looking into that to see if I can find anything

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  7. hucks216

    hucks216 Member

    For other interested people:

    Martin Hamburger's brother & wife were deported to the Piaski Ghetto on 28th March 1942 where they are believed to of been murdered.

    From the USHMM Encyclopedia Vol 2a (which covers Ghettos):

    On November 3, 1942, an SS unit ordered the Jews in the Piaski ghetto on an eight- hour march to a transit camp located outside of Wołkowysk in a pre-war Polish cavalry garrison.
    The SS commander promised transport to those too old or too sick to move from their beds and to several women in advanced stages of pregnancy. After the other Jews had departed
    at noon, he ordered those awaiting transport to be consolidated together, either in a house near the Jewish cemetery or in a former school building. In one account, the SS set fire to the building as auxiliary policemen threw the elderly into the flames alive. About 20 Piaski Jews and another 3 Jews from Mosty perished in the blaze, which also destroyed a large part of the ghetto. Another account notes the Germans shot the Jews dead.
    At the transit camp, the Piaski deportees joined the approximately 17,500 other Jews from Kreis Wolkowysk also driven there to facilitate their deportation to extermination camps.
    Some sources note the Piaski (and Mosty) Jews were expelled from the transit camp, together with the Zelwa, Jałówka, and Mscibów communities, and sent on December 2, 1942, in
    the second Wołkowysk transport, to the Treblinka extermination camp. Other eyewitnesses remember the second transport including only the Zelwa community. They describe the
    Piaski (and Mosty) Jews as being on one of the subsequent transports, which left Wołkowysk for Treblinka every three to seven days, until the middle of December.
     
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  8. Tricky Dicky

    Tricky Dicky Don'tre member

    This Alexander Hamburger is from Romania and was naturalised in 1947 so presumably not him

    Naturalisation Certificate: Alexander Hamburger. From Romania. Resident in Reading,... | The National Archives
    Reference: HO 334/174/24433
    Description:
    Naturalisation Certificate: Alexander Hamburger. From Romania. Resident in Reading, Berkshire. Certificate AZ24433 issued 9 April 1947. Note(s): Alias: Sandor.
    Date: 1947 Apr 9
    Held by: The National Archives, Kew
    Legal status: Public Record(s)
    Language: English
    Closure status: Open Document, Open Description

    Also came across this family tree (very basic)
    Simon 'Alexander' HAMBURGER
    –1942
    BIRTH Unknown
    DEATH 1942

    Although this might be one and the same person
    England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007
    Name: Samuel G A Hamburger the A could be Alexander
    Death Age: 27
    Birth Date: abt 1914
    Registration Date: Oct 1941
    [Nov 1941]
    [Dec 1941]
    Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec
    Registration District: Henley
    Inferred County: Oxfordshire
    Volume: 3a
    Page: 2196
    Scrap that - there are further details which say

    Samuel George Arthur Hamburger
    Birth 5 Aug 1914 Buenos Aires, Argentina
    Death 10 Dec 1941 Goring, Oxfordshire, England
    Father Joseph Hamburger (1887-1916)
    Record information.
    Mother Elizabeth Jessie Hamburger (1886-1982)
    Hamburger, Samuel George Arthur | The Jews of the RAF

    AB64 - He could be being confused - or if he another to add to the list??

    I'll keep looking, but at least we know where not to look now
    TD
     
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  9. AB64

    AB64 Senior Member

    The website that showed the Stolperstein mentioned the brother dying in Canada, checking the US Holocaust site (just seen they are also on Ancestry) it has a few files on him Alexander Israel Hamburger 21/1/24 and shows him on the same Kindertransport to England then going to Canada, being sent to work on farms but being a bit arsey with the farmers and not liking taking orders so being re-interred but that only seems to cover til about 1943 - I see TNA has a file for him applying to return to the UK from Canada so looks like the bit about his death was an error
     
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  10. Tricky Dicky

    Tricky Dicky Don'tre member

    Peter E Hall, Greenbrae, CA (94904) - Spokeo
    Peter E Hall
    aka Erwin Peter Hall
    Current Address: ZTNF La Cuesta Dr, Greenbrae, CA

    The plot thickens - naturalisation files may be required - he could still be living

    TD
     
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  11. Tricky Dicky

    Tricky Dicky Don'tre member

    HAMBURGER, Alexander Israel: German Jew; application to return to the UK after being... | The National Archives
    Reference: HO 382/64
    Description:
    HAMBURGER, Alexander Israel: German Jew; application to return to the UK after being released from internment in Canada
    Date: 1939 Jun 13 - 1966 Jan 07
    Held by: The National Archives, Kew
    Former reference in its original department: H 17166
    Legal status: Public Record(s)
    Closure status: Open Document, Open Description
    Access conditions: Open on Transfer
    Record opening date: 27 September 2007

    I shall ask a Canadian contact to see if they can find anything

    TD
     
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  12. AB64

    AB64 Senior Member

    No need to look into it in too much detail from my point of view, my main focus is on the individual whose documents I have, if there immediate family served in the forces or died in the Holocaust I will look into that as far as possible, for others I'm happy with a general overview and in this case knowing he came to the UK in the same Kindertransport then went on to Canada and back is good enough for my files - its one of those awkward things when you are researching an individual, how wide do you spread the net in researching them, you can end up looking into Uncles, cousins etc if they are RAF you can get drawn into crewmates or even those they flew with once or twice etc
     
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  13. AB64

    AB64 Senior Member

    This time a release book from Hans Schemel from Berlin, he served with the Pioneer Corps and was employed as an interpreter working with POW's. I believe his father was Bruno Schemel born in Sorau in 1873 but living in Belin, he was deported to Lodz where he died - from searching Yad Vashem there seem to be a few Schemels with links to Sorau/Berlin who were killed who I think may have been Aunts and Uncles but I haven't been able to work out the actual family tree

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  14. Harry Ree

    Harry Ree Very Senior Member

    Interesting thread showing the destination of German Jewish personnel into the forces, that being usually, the Pioneer Corps. However many were accepted for the front line in land forces as well as aircrew and RN. There is a German Jewish SAS casualty interred in the cemetery at Moussey in the Vosges who was killed bearing an anglicised name. His CWGC headstone also records his true name.

    Regarding the race laws and the anti-Semite policies of the Third Reich.

    Those of the Jewish faith were forced to adopt Hebrew first names....that of Israel for males and Sarah for females. Sarah was also spelt as Sara.
     
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  15. Tricky Dicky

    Tricky Dicky Don'tre member

    England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007
    Name: Hans Schemel
    Death Age: 77
    Birth Date: 2 Dec 1903
    Registration Date: Jan 1981
    [Feb 1981]
    [Mar 1981]
    Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar
    Registration District: Camden
    Inferred County: Greater London
    Volume: 14
    Page: 2000

    Germany, Index of Jews Whose German Nationality was Annulled by Nazi Regime, 1935-1944
    Name: Hans Schemel
    Birth Date: 2 Dez 1903
    Birth Place: Berlin
    Last Residence: Berlin


    Web: Bremen, Germany, Passenger Lists Index, 1907-1939
    Name: Hans Schemel
    Gender: Männlich (Male)
    Nationality: Deutsch
    Marital Status: ledig (Single)
    Departure Age: 25
    Birth Year: abt 1904
    Residence Year: 1929
    Residence Place: Berlin
    Departure Date: 28 Nov 1929
    Departure Place: Bremen
    Arrival Place: Berlin, D
    Origin: Brandenburg
    Occupation: kaufm. Angest.
    Ship: Stuttgart
    Shipping Line: Nordd. Lloyd, Bremen
    Passenger Number: 46
    URL: http://212.227.236.244/passagierlisten/listen.php?submit_search=schiffsnamen&lang=en

    TD

    Naturalisation Certificate: Hans Schemel. From Germany. Resident in London. Wife's name... | The National Archives
    Reference: HO 334/225/49752
    Description:
    Naturalisation Certificate: Hans Schemel. From Germany. Resident in London. Wife's name Hilde [Schemel]. Home Office Reference: S 22333. Certificate AZ49752 issued 22 December 1948.
    Date: 1948 Dec 22
    Held by: The National Archives, Kew
    Legal status: Public Record(s)
    Language: English
    Closure status: Open Document, Open Description

    England & Wales, Civil Registration Marriage Index, 1916-2005
    Name: Hans Schemel
    Registration Date: Apr 1945
    [May 1945]
    [Jun 1945]
    Registration Quarter: Apr-May-Jun
    Registration District: Hampstead
    Inferred County: London
    Spouse: Hilde Ehrilch Or Lehmann
    Volume Number: 1a
    Page Number: 1608
     
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  16. Bruneval

    Bruneval Well-Known Member

    Hi AB64,

    Interestingly, the Unit was also known as 248 (Alien) Company RPC.

    Regards

    Bruneval
     
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  17. AB64

    AB64 Senior Member

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  18. JimHerriot

    JimHerriot Ready for Anything

    "There is a German Jewish SAS casualty interred in the cemetery at Moussey in the Vosges who was killed bearing an anglicised name"

    For Harry Ree, AB64, and all who visit this thread.

    If you wish to know more, do seek out Rudi's story.

    Always remember, never forget.

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  19. AB64

    AB64 Senior Member

    Interesting he got a new number to go with his new name, I assumed that just carried over, always useful to learn these things
     
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    alberk Well-Known Member

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