4th Coldstream Guards, 6th Guards Tank Brigade Picture

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  1. idler

    idler GeneralList

    The 75mm HE shell was vastly better at knocking out such targets than either the 6pdr HE shell or AP shot, and the antitank peformance not much worse.

    Against Pz III and IV, yes. Having met Pz V and VI in Normandy, 22 Armd Bde (I think it was them, too late to start digging tonight) made a case for replacing some 75mm-armed Cromwells with 6 Pdr versions to improve antitank capability (as a pragmatic alternative to 'more Fireflies'). By the same logic 6 Gds Tk Bde could have benefitted from being given some 6 Pdr Churchills.
     
    idler, Jan 12, 2011
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  2. Margaret Ann

    Margaret Ann Junior Member

    My Father was also with the 6th Guards Tank Brigade.
     
    Margaret Ann, Mar 4, 2013
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  3. Drew5233

    Drew5233 #FuturePilot 1940 Obsessive

    My Father was also with the 6th Guards Tank Brigade.


    Hi Margaret-Do you know what battalion he was in?
     
    Drew5233, Mar 4, 2013
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  4. Margaret Ann

    Margaret Ann Junior Member

    Hi Margaret-Do you know what battalion he was in?
    I contacted my brother about this but all we know is that my Father was a driver mechanic (Churchills). I also have his army record but there is no mention of a battalion.
     
    Margaret Ann, Mar 8, 2013
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  5. Margaret Ann

    Margaret Ann Junior Member

    My Dad was also a Coldstreamer which I might hazard a guess and say he was with the 4th Coldstream Guards Battalion.?
     
    Margaret Ann, Mar 8, 2013
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  6. Owen

    Owen -- --- -.. MOD

    My Dad was also a Coldstreamer which I might hazard a guess and say he was with the 4th Coldstream Guards Battalion.?

    If he was in 6th Guards Tank Brigade & was in The Coldstream then yes, he would be 4th Bn.
     
    Owen, Mar 8, 2013
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  7. Drew5233

    Drew5233 #FuturePilot 1940 Obsessive

    I've only got 1st, 3rd and 5th Battalion Coldstream Guards diaries. Drop me a private message if you are interested in getting copies of the 4th Bn's diaries.

    WO 166/4093 4 Coldstream Guards. 1940 Oct.- 1941 Dec.

    WO 166/8566 4 Coldstream Guards 1941 Dec.- 1942 Dec.

    WO 166/12461 4 Coldstream Guards 1943 Jan.-Dec.

    WO 171/1251 4 Coldstream. Guards (Tank Battalion) 1944 Jan.- Dec.

    WO 171/5142 4 Coldstream Guards 1945 Jan., Mar.- June
     
    Drew5233, Mar 8, 2013
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  8. dbf

    dbf Moderatrix MOD

    Hello Margaret Ann and welcome to the forum,

    Did you get the copy service records from Wellington Barracks? Hard to see how they'd skip note of any battalion. Maybe it's been abbreviated - would you be willing to post part of it to see if we can help?

    Have you posted on another forum about your search? Just wondering as I thought I might have stumbled across similar information.

    How far have you got reading up about 6 Gds Tank Brigade or about 4th Bn Coldstream guards? Have you got a copy of the regimental history for WW2?


    Regards
    Diane
     
    dbf, Mar 10, 2013
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  9. Margaret Ann

    Margaret Ann Junior Member

    Hello Diane:

    Thank you for your post. My brother and his wife did indeed obtain my Father's army record over 10 years ago. They e-mailed me a scanned copy but it is somewhat difficult to read as there are many abbreviations. Yes, I can post a copy of his service record. Also, Drew is going to copy portions of the 6th Guards Tank Brigade war diaries for me when next he visits the National Archives. I do not have the regimental history. I have found that the really good books about the Guards brigades are in the U.K. My next purchase will be "The Story of Men in Churchill Tanks." I plan on travelling to London next June for the Trooping of the Colour and to visit the IWM. I tend not to visit other WWII forums as I find WW2Talk the most interesting and informative.

    Cheers.

    Margaret Ann
     
    Margaret Ann, Mar 11, 2013
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  10. dbf

    dbf Moderatrix MOD

    You might find this link interesting reading then, as there seems to be a good deal in common, although some confusion about Divs and Bdes.


    Posting the copy docs would indeed be a good idea, as is getting a copy of the battalion war diary through Drew.

    This is an account by another bn in the same brigade.
    http://www.ww2talk.com/forum/405250-post51.html
    http://www.ww2talk.com/forum/scots-guards/36526-account-3rd-tank-bn-scots-guards-jul-1944-may-1945-a-6.html#post405250

    books
    http://www.ww2talk.com/forum/440459-post4.html
     
    dbf, Mar 11, 2013
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  11. Antony Thole

    Antony Thole Member



    My Grand father was a gunner in 4 Coldm Gds and was part of the attack on Munster. I am 99% sure his tank was "Eagle" but cannot confirm - can you help? Also, was the Churchill they were issued a MkIV or MkVII - conflicting info. Thanks so much for any help    [/URL]
     
    Antony Thole, Jan 14, 2021
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