5393352 Private Walter Bagnal MORTON, 5th Bn Essex Regiment: 8 December 1943

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  1. Tony Sammons

    Tony Sammons New Member

    Dear all.
    Anyone have information on Essex Reg. 5th battalion if they were in combat at Ortona Italy.

    My uncle was killed on 8th Dec 1943 and is buried at Ancona war cemetery.
    Any information or confirmation is very helpful.
     
  2. Owen

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  3. Tony Sammons

    Tony Sammons New Member

    Owen. Thankyou so much for your response. I look forward to reading the links you have provided.
    If anyone us will to provide access to the war diaries if possible.

    I am very grateful for any information provided.

    Thankyou

    Tony.

    My uncles name is Walter Bagnal Morton. He was born in 1924 Birmingham and he remains at Ancona War Cemetery Italy.
    He lost his life 8th Dec 1943.

    https://www.cwgc.org/find-records/find-war-dead/casualty-details/2068409/walter-bagnal-morton/
     
  4. Owen

    Owen -- --- -.. MOD

    I have this photocopied map in a folder from when I visited the area back in 2008.
    I don't know where the original came from.
    It'll show you the route of 8th Indian Division in that area marked in the solid line.
     

    Attached Files:

  5. Charley Fortnum

    Charley Fortnum Dreaming of Red Eagles

    I'm at work at the moment (working hard or hardly working?). I think I have the 5th Essex section of the regimental history copied, so I'll send you a link by private message ('Conversations') when I get a few minutes.

    Edit: Yes, I have it copied.
     
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  6. Tony Sammons

    Tony Sammons New Member

    Thankyou
     
  7. minden1759

    minden1759 Senior Member

    Tony.

    On 5 Dec 43, 3/8 Punjabs moved up from the Sangro plain where they have been providing working parties to improve river crossings and roads. They took up a position covering the road west of Lanciano. 1/5 Essex occupied the north western boundary of Lanciano and 3/6 FF Rifles went into reserve around the area of the Lanciano road junction. Here they stayed from 5-9 Dec 43.

    Pte WB Morton was killed whilst 1/5 Essex were in these positions.

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    Regards

    Frank
     
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  8. Charley Fortnum

    Charley Fortnum Dreaming of Red Eagles

    Message sent.

    You quite likely want to consult the battalion War Diary for the period. It is held--if it hasn't appeared online--at the National Archives in Kew.

    These are the references:

    Reference:
    WO 169/10209
    Description: 5 Essex Regiment
    Date: 1943 May- Dec.
    5 Essex Regiment | The National Archives

    Reference: WO 170/1387
    Description: 5 Essex Regiment
    Date: 1944 Jan.- June
    5 Essex Regiment | The National Archives

    You shouldn't attempt to approach the National Archives themselves to supply copies since the costs are exorbitant. There are researchers on this board and elsewhere who will do the same job for a fraction of the price.

    Be forewarned that War Diaries do not routinely name Other Ranks, although they often provide more specific data that the official histories about what was happening around the time a man died.

    Do you know when your uncle joined the unit?
     
  9. minden1759

    minden1759 Senior Member

    Tony.

    Here is the page from the 1/5 Essex WD:

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    Regards

    Frank
     
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  10. Charley Fortnum

    Charley Fortnum Dreaming of Red Eagles

    I followed up a hunch and remarkably I have some useful specifics:

    Extracted from:
    WO 361/885 Italy Essex Regiment Missing Men

    P6880083.jpeg P6880084.jpeg

    In case your eyes are as bad as mine:

    P6880084.jpeg

    The official history says on p.395 that Lieutenant N. L. Starkey was 'rounded up' by the enemy with his platoon from Z-Coy on what looks like 23/11/43.

    Pte Dawson's death is also given as 8/12/43.

    I am wondering whether they died in enemy hands or escaped and were killed.
     
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  11. Charley Fortnum

    Charley Fortnum Dreaming of Red Eagles

    Frank,

    Do you have the pages for 22-23-24 November 1943?
     
  12. minden1759

    minden1759 Senior Member

    James.

    Only Dec 44.

    Frank
     

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