A tank a day keeps Politicians at bay.

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  1. Richelieu

    Richelieu Well-Known Member

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  2. ltdan

    ltdan Nietenzähler

    Lots of experts - once again: The tank is dead.....
    General Dynamics and Rheinmetall: Quoting Mark Twain with a broad grin...
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  3. von Poop

    von Poop Adaministrator Admin

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  4. ltdan

    ltdan Nietenzähler

    SPz Puma
    not quite clear whether it is an unorthodox armour upgrade or newly developed urban camouflage
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  5. Chris C

    Chris C Canadian

    It looks like it's trying to blend in with laundry on lines!
     
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  6. Rich Payne

    Rich Payne Rivet Counter Patron 1940 Obsessive

    I only go there for a laugh, honestly...but I'm really looking forward to seeing the British Army's new battleships !

    'Royal Navy unveils two new tanks with X-Ray vision dubbed 'Streetfighter' and 'Magatron'.jpg
     
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  7. von Poop

    von Poop Adaministrator Admin

    Very nice video shared by Think defence on Twatter.
    Conqueror Gun Control Equipment:


    And lurking on the same channel.
    Chieftain vs Leopard Trials, Netherlands 1966:
     
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  8. papiermache

    papiermache Well-Known Member

    Exports of tanks from the UK in recent years as listed by UNROCA: United Nations Register of Conventional Arms.

    ROCA (United Nations Register of Conventional Arms)

    Category(I-VII) Final importer state Number of Items State of origin (if not exporter) Intermediate location(s) (if any) Description of Items Comments on the transfer
    2021
    I. Battle tanks United States 1 ML6a Private Collection
    2020
    I. Battle tanks Canada 1 Chieftain Museum display
    I. Battle tanks Poland 1 T34/85 Museum display
    I. Battle tanks United States 1 M4 Sherman Tank Private collection
    I. Battle tanks United States 1 Chieftain Museum & public display
    I. Battle tanks United States 1 G13 Museum display
    2019
    I. Battle tanks Canada 1 Chieftain Mk2 Museum Display
    I. Battle tanks Canada 1 Chieftain Mk10 Museum Display
    I. Battle tanks Canada 1 T34/85 Museum Display
    I. Battle tanks Canada 1 T72 Historical Vehicle Collection
    I. Battle tanks Israel 1 Sherman Tank Public Display
    I. Battle tanks United States 1 M18 Hellcat Historical Vehicle Collection
    2018
    I. Battle tanks Canada 1 Centurion Historical vehicle collection
    I. Battle tanks Netherlands 1 T69 Private collection
    I. Battle tanks United States 1 CVRT Sabre Tank Public display
    I. Battle tanks United States 2 Chieftain MBT Historical vehicle collection
    I. Battle tanks United States 1 T-34 Private collection
    2017
    I. Battle tanks United States 2 Chieftain MBT Tourist attraction
    I. Battle tanks United States 1 Chieftain MBT Collector
    2016
    I. Battle tanks Australia 1 Chieftain MBT Museum exhibit
    I. Battle tanks United States 1 T54/55 Historical re-enactment
    I. Battle tanks United States 1 Chieftain MBT Historical re-enactment
    I. Battle tanks United States 1 Chieftain MBT Private Collection
    I. Battle tanks United States 1 Stuart Light Tank Display
    I. Battle tanks United States 1 Hetzer Tank Museum display
    I. Battle tanks United States 1 German Tank Replica WWII display
    I. Battle tanks United States 1 T34/85 WWII Tank Collector
     
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  9. von Poop

    von Poop Adaministrator Admin

    Often intrigues me how US collectors, YouTubers etc. looking for more modern armoured vehicles seem to commonly end up with UK gear. Centurion, Chieftain, Scorpion, 432 etc.
    Whether it's down to a looser export system & that we can (could?) ship stuff with uncut guns and armour, or just our longstanding place as a centre of 'keep 'em rolling' preservationists I don't know, but it is noticeable.



    Think this one was at 'Battle tanks' as listed multiple times above. He visits there quite often.


    Etc.
     
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  10. papiermache

    papiermache Well-Known Member

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    von Poop Adaministrator Admin

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  12. Staffsyeoman

    Staffsyeoman Member

    I do recall, when I was working on the Conventional Forces in Europe arms control treaty in MOD in the 1990s we got an agitated phone call from Merseyside Police as they had found a dozen M36 Jackson tank destroyers ready for shipment from Liverpool. The paperwork said they were going to the US for museums and collectors... but we feared this paperwork was spurious and they were in fact headed for the Balkans in defiance of UN sanctions. My cry "if they're embargoed and impounded can I have one?" was ignored... ;)
     
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  13. von Poop

    von Poop Adaministrator Admin

    The callous uncaring hand of government!

    Certainly M36s spotted in Bosnia weren't there. Conveyor belt 'armour' etc.
    They had plenty of their own locally if memory serves.

    Chatting to the bloke years back who built his own Challenger 1 from scrap chassis and turret was entertaining.
    Several visits from slightly alarmed MoD and plod.
    Much paperwork...
     
  14. Uncle Target

    Uncle Target Mist over Dartmoor

    I'm not up on tanks, never have been really.
    Saw this one being driven by visitors at Cobaton in 2003
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  15. Chris C

    Chris C Canadian

    As far as Canadian imports from the UK, I know that all three Chieftains went to the Ontario Regiment Museum in Oshawa. It's possible they also bought the other tanks that went to Canada.
     
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  16. Owen

    Owen -- --- -.. MOD

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  17. von Poop

    von Poop Adaministrator Admin

    This stupid current war is going to be fertile ground for future publishers of armour books.

    Just reading Ukrainian troops already training in Bradleys, only two weeks after they were announced.
    To be part of a NATO-shaped brigade with M55S tanks from Slovenia. A truly peculiar 1999-modernised T55 with Israeli armour and the L7 105 gun that was so well-known (and respected for its time) in British tanks.
    M-55S_03.jpg

    A more mixed-up selection of vehicles than I recall in a long list of previous scrambling-for-equipment conflicts. Seems like WW2-era machines finally faded from modern battlefields, but immediate postwar stuff still finding a place.

    Writers of books:
    Begin compiling lists and notes now. It's getting complicated.
    (Far more interesting lists than the grisly loss-lists that so fascinated at the beginning, and now make me feel a little queasy.)
     
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  18. ltdan

    ltdan Nietenzähler

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  19. von Poop

    von Poop Adaministrator Admin

    Thing I liked about that story was how there seemed to be a modicum of proper archaeology going on while looking for remains.
    The tanks secondary, but hopefully pretty well-recorded. As opposed to the usual 'chaps with excavator dragging something out.'

    Maybe we'll see a proper report on the dig one day, though I've a feeling as it's a Japanese effort regarding WW2 servicemen not much will emerge in a public manner.


    Coords from the thread above on GMaps:
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  20. papiermache

    papiermache Well-Known Member

    Get Out That Tank…Behind the Barn
    Country: Canada Contributor: Director of Public Information for National Salvage Office; Minister of National War Services
    NAID: 44267629
    Local ID: 44-PF-616

    National Archives NextGen Catalog

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