Afghan Army Analogy

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  1. hucks216

    hucks216 Member


    Washington, D.C., August 19, 2021 – The U.S. government under four presidents misled the American people for nearly two decades about progress in Afghanistan, while hiding the inconvenient facts about ongoing failures inside confidential channels, according to declassified documents published today by the National Security Archive.

    Afghanistan 20/20: The 20-Year War in 20 Documents
  2. Dave55

    Dave55 Atlanta, USA


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  3. CL1

    CL1 116th LAA and 92nd (Loyals) LAA,Royal Artillery

    At least with Dunkirk a plan was then built for the end game.
    With Afganistan it was the wests Nagasaki

    from a Brit looking in biden looks like he needs a carer
  4. Steve Mac

    Steve Mac Very Senior Member

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    m kenny Senior Member

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  6. CL1

    CL1 116th LAA and 92nd (Loyals) LAA,Royal Artillery

  7. m kenny

    m kenny Senior Member

    No and it never will. The people who made the mess are all desperately fighting to blame the other. You can see one of the main culprits whinge here:

    Afghanistan: Blair calls US withdrawal tragic and unnecessary

    The cynic in me suspects there will be no carping/whining here about him getting called out....................
  8. CL1

    CL1 116th LAA and 92nd (Loyals) LAA,Royal Artillery

    Why would that be?

    The world needs to get a grip on this and stop the blame game
    They always rely on the Americans to lead the way.
    Thankfully for the American people biden has shown what it is like to have a puppet in power and they might not make the same mistake next time
    Afghanistan is lost unless they or another shove 200,000 troops on the ground which will not happen

    Weak men dah de dah de dah
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  9. Dave55

    Dave55 Atlanta, USA

    I think those references wouldn't mean anything to most Americans. They probably wouldn't have even used Dunkirk if not for the recent movie. We know Pearl Harbor, Hiroshima and that's about it :(
  10. m kenny

    m kenny Senior Member

    Puppet v Putin Puppet? Which is worse?
  11. CL1

    CL1 116th LAA and 92nd (Loyals) LAA,Royal Artillery

    Yes of course

    if the liberal left took its head out of its arse and worked with people and stopped telling everyone how bad they are and everything they do is wrong without a suggested solution perhaps the world would be a better place
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  12. m kenny

    m kenny Senior Member

    When we had the big demonstration by those who wanted to 'protect' Churchills statue in London one reporter moved among the crowd and asked them what they thought about Churchill's record. Not one of the interviewed seemed to know anything at all about Churchill.
  13. Dave55

    Dave55 Atlanta, USA

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  14. m kenny

    m kenny Senior Member

    . I was very careful not to make my posts partisan. I blame 'left' and 'right' equally.
  15. CL1

    CL1 116th LAA and 92nd (Loyals) LAA,Royal Artillery

    Well you dont me old mate i am sure of that
    You quote but dont mention
    I mention because you quote

    very cunning indeed
  16. m kenny

    m kenny Senior Member

    No cunning involved. A while back I realised the problem is the people who are utterly convinced their brand of politics is 'right' and everything else is' wrong'. Yes I have leanings but I make sure I do not fall into the trap of automatically defending everything I lean towards' whilst automatically opposing everything I do not 'lean towards'. For example when replying to your Biden slights I answered in a way that did not have a positive mention of Biden and was critical of both him and Trump.
  17. CL1

    CL1 116th LAA and 92nd (Loyals) LAA,Royal Artillery

    Great like showing trump wearing a nappy

    of course
    We could go on like this forever

    when we allow a coventry mp to wear a face mask showing a flag and its ok.
    If a politician wore a face mask with the other flag all hell would let loose

    sheeps is not what we are

    any way we live in a free country where we can have our own thoughts without red hot pokers being used
  18. m kenny

    m kenny Senior Member

    A mention was made of one man needing a 'carer'. I replied in a way that did not deny he needed a 'carer' and then contrasted this with another age-related problem that afflicts his predecessor. I made them equally struggling with aging problems.
  19. von Poop

    von Poop Adaministrator Admin

    Everyone's done remarkably well on this unique allowance of a thread that's going to inevitably connect to current world politics, but hopefully marks a bit of modern 'Military History' too - without the to-ing & fro-ing.
    In those words so often heard outside nightclubs at kicking out time: "It ain't worth it! Come away".
    Simple thread bans from now on, I'm afraid. Nothing personal, just removing the ability to reply on this particular thread. If anyone finds they can't reply; they've been booted without further explanation.

    Watching the news the other day & feeling immense sympathy for the 20-something squaddies at the spear point of military & political collapse.
    Those chaps guarding the embassy & airport, pushing into crowds to assist specific people while calmly as possible holding off the desperate mass are in such a peculiar position. Volunteering for the army sometimes means you volunteered for things maybe even more difficult in some ways than open warfare.
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    And as for the patrols into town, sometimes with Taliban co-operation... What a 'job'. There'll be some interesting memoirs & accounts from there.

    UOR? Well, maybe a couple of pickups?
    Italian & UK squaddies' town runabouts:
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  20. CL1

    CL1 116th LAA and 92nd (Loyals) LAA,Royal Artillery

    One has sadly downgraded the US in world standing this week
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