Afghan Army Analogy

Discussion in 'Postwar' started by Owen, Jun 29, 2010.

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  1. Dave55

    Dave55 Atlanta, USA

    I saw that one with "Tuscinia" on it go by in a clip last night but couldn't pause it quickly enough to understand it.
    I wonder where they are getting them. Just picking them up in the chaos, I guess.
  2. CL1

    CL1 116th LAA and 92nd (Loyals) LAA,Royal Artillery

    Assume the miltary vehicles left behind will eventually die off then back to the toyota pickups

    Taliban airforce ?

    or perhaps an action along these lines

    Attack on Mers-el-Kébir - Wikipedia
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  3. Dave55

    Dave55 Atlanta, USA

    China will fill the vacuum.
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  4. minden1759

    minden1759 Senior Member

    The world will soon tire of the Afghanistan story especially after the Summer holidays.

    The US is still a powerful and hugely influential country. This is a slight setback - nothing more.

    So the Taliban have a whole of load of US equipment. Much of it is technologically complex and the Taliban do not have the expertise in depth to maintain it all - let alone get spares.

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  5. Dave55

    Dave55 Atlanta, USA

  6. CL1

    CL1 116th LAA and 92nd (Loyals) LAA,Royal Artillery

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    CL1 116th LAA and 92nd (Loyals) LAA,Royal Artillery

  8. m kenny

    m kenny Senior Member

    Best description I heard is 95% of the Media is obsessed with Afghanistan but 95% of the general public are not interested/want to leave as quickly as possible. Biden has been gifted a 'Trump solution' that he can blame if it goes badly wrong so he has no intention of changing anything and the UK is totally powerless to do anything on her own.
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  9. davidbfpo

    davidbfpo Patron Patron

    m kenny is correct the media focus will change and only a few reporters will be allowed to operate by the Taliban, probably in the "showcase" that Kabul could become. I read this week most US media do not make the Afghan / Kabul Airport reports their lead story. Now, whether the Taliban are media-wise and try to limit 'user generated content' (UGC) from mobile-phones will be a good sign that they will revert to their past ways.

    Only today did I spot UGC reports on the large numbers of Afghans queuing at Spin Boldak, a crossing point into Pakistan. Apparently a few weeks ago the Taliban closed the crossing, then it opened with Pakistan insisting Afghans went home and now large crowds who want to leave - it appears Pakistani insists on a passport with a visa.
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  10. CL1

    CL1 116th LAA and 92nd (Loyals) LAA,Royal Artillery

    I think it has gone badly wrong with the terrorists bombings
  11. BrianHall1963

    BrianHall1963 Well-Known Member

    Listen to the ex military men that are on the news they know the score , not the political class
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  12. CL1

    CL1 116th LAA and 92nd (Loyals) LAA,Royal Artillery

    What an embarrassment quoting the bible
    America and the American people deserve better
  13. Dave55

    Dave55 Atlanta, USA

    We're just another banana republic now.
  14. minden1759

    minden1759 Senior Member

    Extracting from contact with the enemy is difficult at the best of times. The US and the rest of the countries operating in Afghanistan had to pull out of a very expensive and no chance of winning war at some point. It just happened to be on Biden's watch.

    In my view, whilst the current scenes are unpleasant, they will not last much longer.

    The tricky bit is deciding whether pulling out increases the chances of IS, and the rest of them, using the country as a base for continuing terrorism against the West or not. My hunch is that the Taliban know that they are in for a whole lot of trouble from the sky if they are seen by the US to revert to their pre-2001 support for terrorist groups and will want to avoid that at all costs if their regime is to survive.

    In my view, what Biden has done is, in the longer term, good for the US who have woken up to the fact that the bigger threat is China and that they need to focus their attention and defence budget on that ever growing threat.


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  15. ltdan

    ltdan Nietenzähler

    Someone much wiser than I once said that one could only write objectively about historical events a hundred years later.
    After all I know about historiography, I am inclined to agree with him....
  16. von Poop

    von Poop Adaministrator Admin

    The sense of humour retained... Kabul airport.

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  17. CL1

    CL1 116th LAA and 92nd (Loyals) LAA,Royal Artillery

    From another time but relevant

  18. Steve Mac

    Steve Mac Very Senior Member

    With apologies to Owen for going off theme, but it appears that this thread already has done. It reminds me of the Vietnam War and its conclusion. To cut to the quick…

    If the politicians didn’t want the same ending, they should have gone in with the agenda of finishing-off the Taliban, their supporters and their financiers (wherever they originate), such that we withdrew from a completely changed and stable country.

    Containment (which is the policy pursued - explicit or not) does not work.

    All those thousands of dead and maimed, for what…?
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  19. CL1

    CL1 116th LAA and 92nd (Loyals) LAA,Royal Artillery

    Guilty as charged

    You are right Steve the only way as I oft quote from a US tv show but it is relevant.
    200,000 to 300,000 Allied troops on the ground to remove the threat by direct action and taking out of the movers and shakers where ever they may be.
    Or turn it into a parking lot

    But as stated thats not going to happen
  20. davidbfpo

    davidbfpo Patron Patron

    With the caveat it is anonymous and a perfect illustration why the ANSF was a well-funded charade:
    Link: I served with the Nato mission in Afghanistan – it was a bloated mess | Anonymous
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