Any photograph restorers out there?

Discussion in 'Photo Restoration' started by soren1941, Jan 2, 2009.

  1. soren1941

    soren1941 Living in Ypres

    Hi Chaps,

    I know that there are some photo whizzes out there, I would like to see if you could sharpen up my Gt Grandad for me?

    Pte Maurice Augustus Staunton ww1 Lancashire Fusilier

    Many thanks in advance

    Soren
     

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  2. soren1941

    soren1941 Living in Ypres

    It's for a portrait that I'd like to do for my Nan, I guess thephoto was taken in the 1930's Alfie May shared a market stall with my Grandad (Gt) and did a bunk one day with the takings, stock and the horse!!!!!!
     
  3. David Layne

    David Layne Well-Known Member

  4. Verrieres

    Verrieres no longer a member

    gran%20dad.jpg
    Hi,
    Difficult one this the photograph is`nt damaged it just seems,,old
    Regards
    Verrieres
     

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  5. soren1941

    soren1941 Living in Ypres

    That one is quite spooky!
     
  6. Verrieres

    Verrieres no longer a member

    Hi.
    Ghostly!!!!
    Verrieres
     
  7. englandphil

    englandphil Very Senior Member

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  8. drumaneen

    drumaneen Senior Member

    I'd happy to have ago at this but it is only really gonna be worthwhile if a larger higher res original can this be provided ?

    (BTW Thats a fag in Alfies mouth not a blemish)
     

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  9. slaphead

    slaphead very occasional visitor

    What is it that you actually want done to the image? As far as phot repair go there isn't that much to do as the source image isn't very damaged. It is low quality and very contrasty so there is not an awful lot that can be pulled from the image and improved.

    If you could rescan the phot at at least 300 dpi and preferably at 600 dpi or higher. Turn off any auto sharpening and auto contrast. If you cannot scan ot try taking a digital photo of the original photograph. If possable woth a camera that outputs in "RAW" format. If it is a standard point and click camera adjust the settings for highest quality and largest file size to try and capture as much data as possable.

    If all you have are the actual images you have uploaded then there is not a lot can be done that doesn't border on "photo interpretation" and thats what you will be doing with your painting anyway!
     
  10. PeterG

    PeterG Senior Member

    Like others have said, there isn't much that can be done with such small scans.
     

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  11. Nicola_G

    Nicola_G Senior Member

    Have just done some for another member. As the other say a higher scan wold be better, at least 600 dpi or even higher: 1200 or 1600 dpi would be fantastic.
     
  12. PeterG

    PeterG Senior Member

    As the other say a higher scan wold be better, at least 600 dpi or even higher: 1200 or 1600 dpi would be fantastic.
    On the contrary, scans above 600 dpi are quite useless for recovering detail and often not much can be added to scans higher than 300 dpi; with 600 dpi you don't get double the resolution of 300 dpi. All higher scans do is add pixels electronically based on surrounding pixels, but not actual detail. 400 dpi scans can sometimes show slightly more resolving power than 300 dpi. Adding higher dpi values (600, 1200, and 1600) to scanners is just a marketing ploy; you can get quite large scans at 300 dpi.
     
  13. Nicola_G

    Nicola_G Senior Member

    Hhhm I sent a pic of mine to a retoucher to see if he could do any better than me on a family pic and he asked for 1600 dpi!

    I normally scan at 300 dpi & 200% or 300% depending on the physical size of the photo.

    Images used to be scanned at 1200 dpi or even 2400 dpi on drum scanners when I worked for a printing company.
     
  14. kingarthur

    kingarthur Well-Known Member

    I can highly recommend Nicola and her work, she has recently worked wonders with several of my damaged and tired vintage photographs.
     
  15. Nicola_G

    Nicola_G Senior Member

    Thanks for the recommendation Dave :)
     
  16. von Poop

    von Poop Adaministrator Admin

    It depends on the real resolution of the Scanner.
    The interpolated big numbers most scanners claim may introduce artefacts and 'fuzz' things a little, but can also sometimes help when tidying up pictures - You can work out what your scanners maximum real resolution is if you want to get the very cleanest results, but it's a fiddly business. 300dpi is indeed fine for most printing up to A4, nobody'll notice the difference and that's about the res of a decent print anyway, yet if it's restoration and your scanner can do it, I'd still try and go to the max within that real resolution before the Interpolation kicks in, little real harm in breaking one dot on a print into 4 usable pixels for detailed tarting up (I'd also scan at the biggest interpolated size just because having assorted 'reference' copies is useful)- but it is true that going much beyond 600 on a paper photo can just produce a bigger file without many real benefits.
    Scanning negs and film is a different business. Ramp up the DPI to the max before interpolation there I reckon.

    Subjective business I suppose, art as much as science, whatever works for the person doing the tarting up seems the only rule.

    This is quite useful, if you can be bothered to wade through:
    Scanner Features and Definitions - Resolution
    (Good site all round as it goes.)
     
  17. PeterG

    PeterG Senior Member

    Scans higher than 400 dpi, such as 1200 dpi are only needed for printing, not for restoration. With a badly damaged or faded photo you cannot recover detail by scanning at over 400 dpi.

    There are two good websites here: Scanning prints over 300 dpi and for film How much can we scan?
     
  18. Rav4

    Rav4 Senior Member

    Discovered Photo Restoration on this site only a couple of days ago. Should have done more exploring:)

    Here is an attempt at some colouring;

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  19. Rav4

    Rav4 Senior Member

  20. PsyWar.Org

    PsyWar.Org Archive monkey

    Scans higher than 400 dpi, such as 1200 dpi are only needed for printing, not for restoration. With a badly damaged or faded photo you cannot recover detail by scanning at over 400 dpi.

    There are two good websites here: Scanning prints over 300 dpi and for film How much can we scan?


    Sorry Peter but this is plain wrong. How much detail a scanner can produce is based on its optical resolution. Even budget scanners have optical resolutions over 1200 ppi.

    Scanning resolution depends very much on the size of the original based on intended output size. Now it is true to say for a full colour image an output resolution of 300 ppi is sufficient for many things. (But this is based on the final output size, after the original may have been enlarged, cropped, etc.)

    For example consider that you want to scan a postage stamp and want to print it out/reproduce it at four times its original size; you'd want to scan it at a minimum of 1200 ppi so that it can be outputted at 300 ppi. The same principle applies to scanning photographic negatives which are generally printed out at much larger size than the original. 35mm film should be scanned at 2700 ppi as a minimum.

    As the tonal range reduces, the resolution should also be increased. If you have a line art image, e.g. a purely black and white image (no shades of grey), even for a one-to-one reproduction you'd want at least a scanning resolution of 1200 ppi but preferably higher like 2400 ppi to avoid noticeable pixelisation.

    For retouching work there are many advantages to having an original scan at a much higher resolution than 300 ppi.

    Personally if I have a monochrome 10" x 8" photographic print, I'd scan it at a minimum of 600 ppi for archival purposes. If the original is smaller, than at an even higher resolution.

    Lee
     

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