Arnhem 2012

Discussion in 'WW2 Battlefields Today' started by gliderrider, Sep 3, 2012.

  1. Bart150

    Bart150 Member

    I’m sorting out the photos I took last weekend. Can anyone help me with more information on these different categories of participant in the commemoration at Driel?
    01 – pretty certainly present-day Polish soldiers
    02 – for some reason I assumed this band was Dutch, but now I see the insignia I suppose they must be present-day Polish soldiers
    03 – I assume these are Polish-speaking re-enactors who live in the Netherlands
    04 – Did this band come here from Poland or are they based in the Netherlands?

    Bart
     

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  2. Bart150

    Bart150 Member

    One veteran told me that he landed on D-day, was not at Arnhem in September 1944, but was with the Polar Bear division in the Arnhem area in the winter of 1944-45.
    He was wearing the beret and blazer badge of the Parachute regiment.
    I didn't like to interrogate him, but that sounds to me like a contradiction. Or were there men of the Parachute regiment in the Polar Bear division?
     
  3. ronald

    ronald Senior Member

    I think No3 are reenactors from Driel. They also organize the Sosabowski tour
    each year. If you think they are Polish then i don't know.
    No4 most likely children from Debno




    Ron..
     
  4. Philip Reinders

    Philip Reinders Very Senior Member

    One veteran told me that he landed on D-day, was not at Arnhem in September 1944, but was with the Polar Bear division in the Arnhem area in the winter of 1944-45.
    He was wearing the beret and blazer badge of the Parachute regiment.
    I didn't like to interrogate him, but that sounds to me like a contradiction. Or were there men of the Parachute regiment in the Polar Bear division?

    Joined the Parachute Regiment after leaving the Polar Bears:)
     
  5. ronald

    ronald Senior Member

    One veteran told me that he landed on D-day, was not at Arnhem in September 1944, but was with the Polar Bear division in the Arnhem area in the winter of 1944-45.
    He was wearing the beret and blazer badge of the Parachute regiment.
    I didn't like to interrogate him, but that sounds to me like a contradiction. Or were there men of the Parachute regiment in the Polar Bear division?

    Don't know but strange things happened. I know of 1 man who was illegal at Arnhem in September 1944, he was in the RASC and later also with the Polar Bears at Arnhem. Probably noone believes this too:)


    Ron...
     
  6. ALLAN PRICE

    ALLAN PRICE Member

    if you find my thread in the "airborne" section on 2nd Glosters.i found some graves at Ranville cemetary with Glosters capbadges but saying "attached Parachute Regiment Army Air Corps".This is down to the polar bears being disbanded in August 44 and troops spread about as replacements for casualties throughout the other(inc Airborne) divisions.The veteran who told me this was Glosters,he was atached to 8 par(i think??)then on return to Blighty went on to do the jump training and joined Para Reg properly.
    as to the photos above...1 Polish,2 Polish,3 Polish,4 Polish....
     
  7. Philip Reinders

    Philip Reinders Very Senior Member

    Allan please explain, as the Glosters were in Wolfheze in April/May 1945

    The division was disbanded in Germany in 1946, but reformed in the Territorial Army in 1947, having been renamed the 49th (West Riding) Armoured Division. It was based in Nottingham, consisting of (on 1 April 1947):
     
  8. Medic7922

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  9. Bart150

    Bart150 Member

    Thanks, everyone. It looks to me as if the people in 03 are citizens (or at least residents) of the Netherlands of Polish origin, who wear these WW2 Polish uniforms (maybe only once a year) and help organise Poland-Driel events.
     
  10. ALLAN PRICE

    ALLAN PRICE Member

    Allan please explain, as the Glosters were in Wolfheze in April/May 1945

    The division was disbanded in Germany in 1946, but reformed in the Territorial Army in 1947, having been renamed the 49th (West Riding) Armoured Division. It was based in Nottingham, consisting of (on 1 April 1947):

    sorry,me writing before thinking!it was the 56th Ind Brigade(2 Glosters,2 SWB and Essex reg?)that was disbanded,Glosters went on to join 49th under control of Canadians.A (Not "A" COY,just a company)company was distributed through the divisions as replacements,the rest going to 49th Div.
    the 2nd Glosters then went on to help liberate Arnhem.
     
  11. Philip Reinders

    Philip Reinders Very Senior Member

    your scared the hell out of me, thinking huuh :)
     
  12. ALLAN PRICE

    ALLAN PRICE Member

    no worrys mate.you wouldnt be the first i've confused the hell out of!:D
     
  13. Lofty1

    Lofty1 Senior Member

    Hi all, just been looking through this years commemoration pictures, this first picture spoke volumes to me. Our host in Arnhem fixed it for my grandson to lay flowers with the children, he was let off school as they were told this was an educational trip, by the look on his face I think that proved to be the case.
    Loads of pictures to post here, will do it in the next few days.

    regards lofty
     

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  14. Lindsay Aspin

    Lindsay Aspin Senior Member

    Thank you Lofty for posting the wonderful photographs.

    It will be youngsters like your grandson who will ensure that those who lost their lives in battle for their Country will never be forgotten. :poppy:

    All the best,
    Lindsay
     
  15. Lofty1

    Lofty1 Senior Member

    Probably the last act of remembrance during the commemorative week is a short service at the GPR bench at Wolfhaze on Sunday at three with many folks from Wolfhaze attending.
    After this service the GP coach leaves for Rhenen general cemetery, where rest three Glider Pilots, then the night boat home and a well earned rest,
    I have added some pictures of the service, and the three headstones in Rhenen

    regards lofty
     

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  16. ronald

    ronald Senior Member

    Great pics Lofty, thanks for sharing.



    Ron...
     
  17. Bart150

    Bart150 Member

    I took quite few photos. Here are some of the more unusual ones.
    Anyone reluctant to be portrayed here or (conversely) wanting a larger image - let me know.
    Bart
     

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  18. Paul Pariso

    Paul Pariso Very Senior Member

    Four WW2Talk members at the Sunday Service.

    All the best.........:)
     

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  19. Lindsay Aspin

    Lindsay Aspin Senior Member

    More great photographs ... thank you Lofty and Bart for posting.

    Lofty - love the photograph of Jack Bruce and your grandson. The old and the young sharing time together!

    Looking forward to seeing Jack, Des, Arthur and the rest of the GPR gang at the Reunion in Bournemouth next week.

    Lindsay
     
  20. martin14

    martin14 Senior Member

    Second World War Soldier to be re-interred

    27 September 2012
    A re-interment ceremony will be held at Arnhem Oosterbeek War Cemetery in the Netherlands on Wednesday October 3rd for Private Lewis Curtis of the 5th Battalion The Wiltshire Regiment.
    Private Curtis, who came from Liskeard in Cornwall, was killed on October 2nd 1944 in an artillery barrage in the aftermath of Operation Market Garden.
    His body was found in 2003 at de Laar Farm to the south of Arnhem. He was identifed in 2008 by the Dutch Army Recovery Team using dental records.

    The re-interment service will begin at 10 am and it will be attended by his niece and nephew and their families. Private Curtis will be accorded full military honours by The Honour Guard of The 5th Battalion The Rifles. The Royal Netherlands Army National Reserve Band will provide the music.
    An Order of Service for Private Curtis' re-interment ceremony can be found here.

    CWGC - Reburial Service of Pt. Lewis Curtis




    I went to this today, sorry I missed the annual one.


    Took a bunch of pictures, they are here:

    Pictures by martin14_2008 - Photobucket




    Went to the Hartenstein Museum as well, really wonderful exhibit in the basement. :)
     

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