Conquered Europe or Wehrmacht - foreign tourists. photos to ID

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  1. raut

    raut Active Member

    Friends again, I thank everyone who is not indifferent to this topic.Tell me what city and cathedral are in the photo?
    On the back of the photo there is an inscription, apparently the name of the city, but I cannot read it. DSC07827.JPG
     

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  2. Owen

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  3. raut

    raut Active Member

    Yes, I know, but maybe we can identify the city without an inscription.
    By the way, a bridge is visible on the right in the photo, and there is some kind of tower between the bridge and the cathedral.
     
  4. Harry Ree

    Harry Ree Very Senior Member

    It's a wide river which narrows it down to towns or cities located on wide rivers. With the Wehrmacht "on tour" in the east, I think the river could be the Vistula and place, Krakow.....a different Krakow to what it is now.
     
  5. raut

    raut Active Member

    The photo shows a partially destroyed cathedral, but we know that all cathedrals were restored after the war, which means it exists.
    In addition, the name of the city ending in .....burg .....berg so it can't be Poland.
    If we can read the name of the city, then we can find out what kind of cathedral is in the photo.
     
  6. Owen

    Owen -- --- -.. MOD

    If it is eastern Europe look at a pre-1918 map which has placenames in German.
    One that looks like Lmmmmmmburg :)
     
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  7. Harry Ree

    Harry Ree Very Senior Member

    Don't forget that the Germans in Hitler's vision of the Greater German Reich germanised the names of towns and cities in the occupied East including Czechoslovakia, the Baltic states and even Romania. Quiet a number were given Germanised names ending with Berg or Burg

    Lviv in the Ukraine became Lemberg
    Zabreb in Poland became Hindenburg
    Bydgoszcz in Poland became Bromberg
    Walbrzych in Poland became Waldenburg

    I would think that invading forces would have used the germanised names for locations in accordance with the new order

    An interesting table here...List of cities with historical German exonyms - Wikipedia

    However Krakow is not the location since the germanised name is Krakau.
     
  8. OK, I know I said I was out, but just this one to help out then ;)
    Nevers - Vue Générale - Quai de la Loire - 057_001.jpg

    Apparently nothing to do with the illegible writing on the back. The cathedral did not suffer in 1940, but got badly damaged on 16 July 1944 by an Allied bombing raid.
     
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  9. Harry Ree

    Harry Ree Very Senior Member

    Quai de la Loire now known as Quai des Mariners.

    The prominent building which appears slightly in front of the Cathedrale St Cyr et Ste Julitte is not detailed on the 1982 Michelin Red Guide map...probably destroyed in bombing raid of 16 July 1944, although the intended target was the town's rail yards.
     
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  10. raut

    raut Active Member

    Michel Sabarly Nevers-Pont_sur_la_Loire-Cathédrale_Saint_Cyr_et_Sainte_Julitte-20160502.jpg I sincerely thank you for your help. Please do not take offense at me, continue research with us on this topic.
     
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  11. No problem raut,
    We may all get a bit touchy at times, but can then make peace again.
    Nice view, with a rather dried up Loire.
    Back to the partially demolished bridge, the tall thin trees in the background remind me of those seen in the battlefields of Normandy, so maybe a hint there:
    DSC07860.JPG
    Thus maybe a minor river/canal in northwest France, but no luck so far...
     
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  12. Owen

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    I've been looking at canal aqueducts but can't find one with cottages at the end .
    I was thinking these might be lock-keepers cottages.
    Can't be many bridges in france with buildings on the end like these.


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  13. Harry Ree

    Harry Ree Very Senior Member

    The problem with the Loire is that it used to be a savage river in flood at its upper reaches in the Auvergne. To avoid riverside villages being swept away, the river was dammed over 20 years ago...there were abundant objections to this despite the loss of life.

    The effect of this is that at low rainfall periods the river level can become quite low as seen. However another important aspect is that during the summers with low rainfall, the policy has had resulted in EDF having to pull back on their nuclear generation at the nuclear power plants on the Loire. The plants have indirect turbine condenser cooling systems using cooling towers and are unable to extract make up water from the river to cover cooling tower evaporation losses from the towers and purge requirement when the river level is low. During these times the French Grid System have the advantage of being able to maintain system balancing by importing from the NGC using the Channel Interconnector.
     
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  14. raut

    raut Active Member

    As for the bridge, I want to say that these two photos were taken by the same soldier as the bridge.
    Maybe this will help in determining the place, at the same time we will solve these photos as well. 7.JPG 8.JPG 9.JPG
     
  15. MarkN

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  16. raut

    raut Active Member

    Many thanks for the help. Perhaps these are both bridges in this city?
     
  17. Last one is not quite Normandy, but close [edit: rather a long way off, actually!]
    dept-17-ROYAN-Le-Casino-Municipal.jpg
     
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  18. Oops, did not see that MarkN beat me to it. Congrats!
     
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  19. MarkN

    MarkN Banned

    I'm not convinced it's an aquaduct. Looks to have a bit of a hump in it as you see on road/horse&cart bridges of the period. The broken middle span makes it more difficult to see.
     
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  20. raut

    raut Active Member

    I would venture to post a photo in my opinion hopeless, maybe you can recognize it.
    The inscription on the obelisk:
    es
    sterben den
    redentor
    ders vaterland
    es wieder
    (the date)
    Joh.Kramer
    (the date)
    Karl Zimmer
    (the date)
    Nik. Zimmer
    On the reverse side of the photo there is an inscription December 1939 DSC07257.JPG
    Does this obelisk exist today and where is it?
     

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