Dummy kit

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  1. WotNoChad?

    WotNoChad? Senior Member

    There is this strange fella too, from Bart Vandeveen's 'The Observer's Fighting Vehicles Directory WWII'. A dummy Kubelwagen based on a Jeep for covert operations in the western desert 1942. Driven from the back seat with a dummy propped up in front. Bizarre.

    Cor that's brill and very early SAS. Probably best used for getting up to an Italian sentry on a gate or similar in the dark. The guard watching the driver and those in the backseat ready with a silenced pistol.
     
    WotNoChad?, Jan 29, 2009
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  2. Richard Stokes

    Richard Stokes Junior Member

    Those interested in finding out the real story behind the Maskelyne War Magician myth are welcome to check out my website maskelynemagic.com
    Maskelyne did produce a dummy Honey in Egypt in April 1941...and he definitely contributed to the design of sunshields, clever means of disguising a tank as a truck, but the really big claims (Alexandria night-time decoy site/vanishing the Suez canal/creation and implementation of the Alamein deception plan) are illusory.

    The Photos section of my website includes new images of Maskelyne's camouflage work.
    (I will soon be adding a drawing by Maskelyne of the kubelwagen.)

    History is not written by the victors. It's written by the victors' ghostwriters!
    Alas, substantial portions are fabricated to keep the gullible masses entertained...
     
    Richard Stokes, Apr 8, 2009
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  3. von Poop

    von Poop Adaministrator Admin

    Welcome aboard Richard, that looks like good stuff, and a very nicely presented website:
    MaskelyneMagic.com
    I think I may have to spend an hour reading through.
    (And do feel free to put a link in your signature.).

    Cheers,
    Adam.

    Edit: I have to add. Excellent pictures of the sunshield lorry camo:
    Sunshield Prototype
     
    von Poop, Apr 8, 2009
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  4. Smudger Jnr

    Smudger Jnr Our Man in Berlin

    Richard,

    Hello and Welcome to the forum.

    I have just been taking a peek at your website, at which I am impressed.

    Regards
    Tom
     
    Smudger Jnr, Apr 8, 2009
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  5. von Poop

    von Poop Adaministrator Admin

    Another WW1 dummy:
    Rollencourt-dummy-tanks.jpg
    At Rollencourt, apparently.
     
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    von Poop, Oct 14, 2009
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  6. Owen

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    Owen, Nov 19, 2009
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  7. Owen

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    Owen, Nov 26, 2009
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  8. Za Rodinu

    Za Rodinu Hot air manufacturer

    A bit rubbery :)

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    Rather small pics but you get the idea!
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    Za Rodinu, Aug 6, 2010
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  9. Za Rodinu

    Za Rodinu Hot air manufacturer

    Za Rodinu, Aug 6, 2010
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  10. Algee

    Algee Very Insignificant Member

    another gem from IWM.
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    Dummy cruiser tanks being constructed by Royal Engineers in a factory near Rouen, 30 March 1940.

    Looks to me like it was due a service!
     
    Algee, Aug 6, 2010
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  11. sol

    sol Very Senior Member

    sol, Aug 6, 2010
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  12. von Poop

    von Poop Adaministrator Admin

    IWM collections again.
    I pottered onto these and rather enjoyed 'em, (few doubled up from above as the new picture quality is greatly improved) :
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    PNEUMATIC DECOYS. © IWM (H 42535)IWM Non Commercial Licence

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    DUMMY VEHICLES AND EQUIPMENT USED FOR DECEPTION DURING THE SECOND WORLD WAR. © IWM (H 42531)IWM Non Commercial Licence

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    DUMMY VEHICLES AND EQUIPMENT USED FOR DECEPTION DURING THE SECOND WORLD WAR. © IWM (H 42530)IWM Non Commercial Licence

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    DUMMY VEHICLES AND EQUIPMENT USED FOR DECEPTION DURING THE SECOND WORLD WAR. © IWM (H 42533)IWM Non Commercial Licence

    Remarkably effective aren't they:
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    DUMMY VEHICLES AND EQUIPMENT USED FOR DECEPTION DURING THE SECOND WORLD WAR. © IWM (H 42532)IWM Non Commercial Licence

    BRITISH SHIPS OF THE FIRST WORLD WAR | Imperial War Museums (No embed licence, so just click link for picture).


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    DUMMY EQUIPMENT DESIGNED FOR USE BY THE BRITISH ARMY DURING THE SECOND WORLD WAR. © IWM (H 42529)IWM Non Commercial Licence

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    THE BRITISH ARMY IN THE MIDDLE EAST 1942. © IWM (E 9697)IWM Non Commercial Licence

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    THE BRITISH ARMY IN NORTH AFRICA 1942. © IWM (E 8361)IWM Non Commercial Licence

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    THE BRITISH ARMY IN FRANCE 1940. © IWM (F 4008)IWM Non Commercial Licence

    Entire dummy ship? New to me, I must read more:
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    BRITISH SHIPS OF THE FIRST WORLD WAR. © IWM (Q 79417)IWM Non Commercial Licence

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    Bethune Strategy. © IWM (Art.IWM ART LD 989)IWM Non Commercial Licence

    THE FIRST WORLD WAR 1914 - 1918: WESTERN FRONT | Imperial War Museums

    A dummy soldier posted outside a tent; near Arras, 17th April 1918.
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    MINISTRY OF INFORMATION FIRST WORLD WAR OFFICIAL COLLECTION. © IWM (Q 439)IWM Non Commercial Licence

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    THE BRITISH ARMY IN NORTH AFRICA 1942. © IWM (E 10145)IWM Non Commercial Licence

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    THE BRITISH ARMY IN NORTH AFRICA 1942. © IWM (E 10147)IWM Non Commercial Licence

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    THE BRITISH ARMY IN NORTH AFRICA 1942. © IWM (E 13758)IWM Non Commercial Licence

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    THE BRITISH ARMY IN NORMANDY 1944. © IWM (B 9541)IWM Non Commercial Licence

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    THE BRITISH ARMY IN FRANCE 1940. © IWM (F 4022)IWM Non Commercial Licence

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    THE BRITISH ARMY IN FRANCE 1940. © IWM (F 3820)IWM Non Commercial Licence

    SERVICE OF CAPTAIN GERALD LEET AS A CAMOUFLAGE OFFICER WITH THE BRITISH ARMY IN ENGLAND AND NORTH AFRICA, 1940 - 1944 | Imperial War Museums

    Nice detail.
    SERVICE OF CAPTAIN GERALD LEET AS A CAMOUFLAGE OFFICER WITH THE BRITISH ARMY IN ENGLAND AND NORTH AFRICA, 1940 - 1944 | Imperial War Museums


    SERVICE OF CAPTAIN GERALD LEET AS A CAMOUFLAGE OFFICER WITH THE BRITISH ARMY IN ENGLAND AND NORTH AFRICA, 1940 - 1944 | Imperial War Museums

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    THE BRITISH ARMY IN ITALY 1944. © IWM (NA 14415)IWM Non Commercial Licence

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    THE BRITISH ARMY IN ITALY 1944. © IWM (NA 14420)IWM Non Commercial Licence

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    THE BRITISH ARMY IN ITALY 1944. © IWM (NA 13211)IWM Non Commercial Licence

    There's a book in this stuff somewhere... if it hasn't been written already.
     
    von Poop, Sep 29, 2012
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  13. Groundhugger

    Groundhugger Senior Member

    I remember reading some time ago of a dummy airfield in the North African desert where the planes were all decoys , and an air raid occurred where the attacking plane dropped a bomb made out of wood with the word 'BANG' painted on it , not sure who's side did what , it's daft enough to be true !:)
     
    Groundhugger, Oct 4, 2012
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  14. Owen

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  15. Andreas

    Andreas Working on two books

    Here's one from Ebay, dated 13 March 42, so somewhere in Cyrenaica.

    Caption was probably: After a heroic battle, the German Ueberheros in their truck subdued the powerful enemy.

    All the best

    Andreas
     

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  16. von Poop

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  18. Owen

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  19. Owen

    Owen -- --- -.. MOD

    Just watched this.
    Thought I'd mention it on this thread.
    http://yesterday.uktv.co.uk/shows/ghost-army/

    Ghost Army

    Must-see WWII documentary. The remarkable story of a US Army unit who used inflatable tanks, sound effects and sketches to create a deceptive battlefield picture and fool the enemy.
     
    Owen, Dec 17, 2014
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  20. redtop

    redtop Well-Known Member

    Just watched Kate Addie program "Alamien"
    Veteran (40 RTR I think) recounts how dummy lorry structures were placed on his tank which moved position and lorry followed path to hide track marks.

    Also from my Fathers Journals pre Alamein

    THE BATTLE OF ALAMEIN
    In the evening we began to move, not a word to us of what we were
    about, as we moved a coloured Battalion’s troops erected a decoy in the
    position we were situated ,they put up canvas mock-ups in our place.
     
    redtop, Dec 17, 2014
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