Without wishing to distract anyone from the theme of this excellent thread. I must just say: JWP59; Doesn't that just encapsulate one of the great sadnesses of war? How normal, decent men ~ on all sides ~ are sent out by their 'leaders' to kill one another. Men who, like ye Dad and Old George there, would much sooner share a sing song and game of cards. Anyway. Just thinking out loud. Back to the Italian girls!