Help needed - Duke of Wellington's 8th Battalion May 1941

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  1. CornwallPhil

    CornwallPhil Senior Member

    I am researching the deaths of Privates Gerald Moran and Leonard Wilson as the result of enemy bombing of cliffside fields in a remote part of Cornwall in 1941. Does anyone have the War Diary for their regiment the 8th Battalion Duke of Wellingtons (West Riding Regiment) and could let me have a copy of any entries from May that refer to the incident please? Also does it give any indication of what role the regiment were playing in Cornwall at that time?
    Any help appreciated.
     
  2. travers1940

    travers1940 Well-Known Member

    This is not very specific, but in 1941 the 8th DWR (raised July 1940) were a Home Defence Formation serving in South West England as part of 203rd Independent Infantry Brigade (Home), until November 1941, when they converted to 145th Regiment Royal Armoured Corps.
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  3. Tricky Dicky

    Tricky Dicky Don'tre member

    OK - seems his first name is not Gerald

    UK, Army Roll of Honour, 1939-1945
    Name: Gerrard Moran
    Given Initials: R
    Rank: Private
    Death Date: 15 May 1941
    Number: 4625311
    Birth Place: Halifax
    Residence: Halifax
    Branch at Enlistment: Infantry
    Theatre of War: United Kingdom
    Regiment at Death: Duke of Wellington's Regiment (West Riding)
    Branch at Death: Infantry

    Casualty
    Private
    MORAN, GERARD
    Service Number 4625311
    Died 15/05/1941
    Aged 29
    8th Bn.
    Duke of Wellington's (West Riding Regiment)
    Son of Joseph and Sarah Ann Moran, of Halifax; husband of Kathleen Mary Moran, of Shibden, Halifax.

    England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007
    Name: Gerard Moran
    Death Age: 29
    Birth Date: abt 1912
    Registration Date: Apr 1941
    [May 1941]
    [Jun 1941]
    Registration Quarter: Apr-May-Jun
    Registration district: St Austell
    Inferred County: Cornwall
    Volume: 5c
    Page: 298

    Might be worth seeing what the certificate says - there may also be a coroners report

    UK and Ireland, Find A Grave Index, 1300s-Current
    Name: Private Gerard Moran
    Death Date: 15 May 1941
    Cemetery: Stoney Royd Cemetery
    Burial or Cremation Place: West Yorkshire, England
    Has Bio?: N
    Private Gerard Moran (Unknown-1941) - Find A Grave...

    TD
     
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  4. Tricky Dicky

    Tricky Dicky Don'tre member

    Seems Leonard died the day after Gerard

    UK and Ireland, Find A Grave Index, 1300s-Current
    Name: Pvt Leonard Wilson
    Death Date: 16 May 1941
    Death Place: Cornwall Unitary Authority, Cornwall, England
    Cemetery: Fairpark Cemetery
    Burial or Cremation Place: St Columb Minor, Cornwall Unitary Authority, Cornwall, England
    Has Bio?: Y
    PVT Leonard Wilson (Unknown-1941) - Find A Grave...

    Casualty
    Private
    WILSON, LEONARD
    Service Number 4618273
    Died 16/05/1941
    8th Bn.
    Duke of Wellington's (West Riding Regiment)

    England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007
    Name: Leonard Wilson
    Death Age: 23
    Birth Date: abt 1918
    Registration Date: Apr 1941
    [May 1941]
    [Jun 1941]
    Registration Quarter: Apr-May-Jun
    Registration district: Bodmin
    Inferred County: Cornwall
    Volume: 5c
    Page: 238

    Again the death cert may give you something as again might a coroners report if there was one - there may be something in Police archives and also in the local press of the day

    TD

    There deaths are also registered in different areas - seems odd but then my Cornwall geograpgy is not as good as yours, perhaps they were taken to different hospitals, many injuries from the incident could have dictated who went where - more digging for you sir
     
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  5. Robert-w

    Robert-w Banned

    Odd looking at the Cornish war history site which has a map showing the bombings on Cornwall there appears to be no raid on either the 15th or 16th May 1941. The closest appears to be the raid on Penryn on May 13th which killed 17 people however there is a memorial to the victims of that raid and neither of these two men appears on it.
    Bombings « Cornwall War History
     
  6. Robert-w

    Robert-w Banned

    The only bomb site that fits the description in the OP was a grouse farm near Newlyn hit on 24th April 1941. No casualties mentioned but fire fighters were later machine gunned returning to Penzance. Is it possible that these two were DOW from than incidence?
     
  7. timuk

    timuk Well-Known Member

    From: BBC - WW2 People's War - "When Bombs Fell" - The air-raids on Cornwall during WW2 : Part 4 - 1941 May to August.
    May 1941
    14th: In the early hours, Falmouth, Penryn and R.N.A.S. St. Merryn were bombed. More than twenty bombs were dropped. Three houses were demolished at Falmouth and many others severely damaged at Clare Terrace, Killigrew Street, near the Railway Station, and at Quay Hill, Penryn, where fourteen houses were destroyed and telephone services and gas supplies severely interrupted. In all, twenty persons were killed and thirty injured; Several houses were also damaged at New Quay Hill, Flushing and minor damage was caused at Wayland Farm, Looe.

    15th: Some thirteen bombs were dropped at St. Just-in-Roseland, those near St.Ervan causing damage at Tregotland only.

    16th: In the early hours, four high explosive bombs fell at Falmouth Docks, damaging a small launch in the sluice pit. Eight bombs fell at Hemmick Beach killing a soldier, injuring two others and damaging two dwellings. One large bomb was dropped on Portreath Aerodrome, but no damage or casualties were reported.

    Tim
     
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  8. dryan67

    dryan67 Senior Member

    According to the regimental history, the Battalion was located at Newquay, Cornwall in May 1941. No mention is made of the bombing, though.

    The roll of honour does include both names:

    4625311 - Private Gerrard Moran - 15 May 1941
    4618273 - Private Leonard Wilson - 16 May 1941
     
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  9. Tricky Dicky

    Tricky Dicky Don'tre member

    Just been checking UK, WWII Civilian Deaths, 1939-1945

    The only civilians killed in Cornwall nearest to the dates they died are shown as 13 May 1941 and are based in Penryn [mostly] and a few in Falmouth. The next cicvilian deaths are shown in April - so it could be:

    1. Military accident on the 15th [or before both dying of wounds] one died later than the other of wounds received
    2. Bombing raid on 13th [or 14th] caused casualties and they died of wounds received

    Again perhaps death certs may help and if a military incident/accident then there may be a coroners report

    TD
     
  10. Tricky Dicky

    Tricky Dicky Don'tre member

    As has been pointed out they may have been in seperate incidents - my assumption was that they were together
    - this could have been Leonard Wilson

    TD
     
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  11. Guy Hudson

    Guy Hudson Looker-upper

    Moran is listed as killed in action and Wilson died of wounds
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  12. CornwallPhil

    CornwallPhil Senior Member

    Thanks for all your replies and interest. Apologies TrickyDicky it was my mistake in typing up the first name for Moran.

    The incident is the bombing of Hemmick at 0240hrs on Thursday 15th May 1941. 8 HE bombs were dropped. Moran was killed outright. Wilson and an Auxiliary Coastguard, Oliver, who was with them were seriously injured. The casualties were taken to Bodmin where there was a Military Emergency Hospital at St Lawrence's Hospital (the military had a wing of the County Psychiatric Hospital) where they died from their wounds within 24 hours. For the record a cow was also killed and there was severe damage to a nearby dwelling and lesser damage to another. (Forget Penryn, Falmouth and any other incident.)

    Moran was taken home and buried in Halifax (Stoney Royd) Cemetery. Wilson is buried in Newquay Fairpark Cemetery, but if dryan67 is correct about the regiment being based in Newquay at that time, that would explain that. Oliver is buried in the Gorran Parish Church graveyard.

    I have the Police War Diary entries and relatives of Oliver are good friends of mine. The purpose of the original post was to try and establish what the two soldiers were doing at 2am 30 miles from where their regiment were based and on the opposite coast of Cornwall. The Coastguard was part of the local coastwatch team so I can only presume the soldiers were part of a coastal defence patrol given the fears about a German invasion in the spring of 1941. I am looking for the documentary evidence to support that presumption. Hemmick Beach has (and still has) an anti-tank wall across the back of the beach, otherwise I am not aware of any other installation in that immediate locality. (See my photo below). It is still possible to make out some of the pock-marks in the fields behind the beach of the stick of bombs. 2011_0515gorran0008.JPG
     
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  13. Skoyen89

    Skoyen89 Senior Member

    Hi Cornwall Phil

    I have the War Diary for 8DWR for 1940 but not for 1941. They arrived in Cornwall in Oct 1940 However at the end of 1940 they were dispersed in small units (platoons and smaller) at a number of coastal locations and beaches (eg Constantine). They seem to have been in the Newquay to Padstow area then but may have swapped with another Battalion of the Brigade later?
     
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  14. CornwallPhil

    CornwallPhil Senior Member

    Hi Skoyen89,
    Yes I am aware of the defence of Cornwall being a thin khaki line - four men here and half a dozen there! Being responsible for a stretch of contiguous coastline such as Newquay to Padstow makes sense. Whether they swapped coasts I think I'll need the 41 war diary to find out. I feel a request to Drew coming on!!
     
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