Impostor - 'One who assumes a false Character'.

Discussion in 'Veteran Accounts' started by von Poop, Feb 4, 2010.

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  1. Za Rodinu

    Za Rodinu Hot air manufacturer

    ... Great place, just like it was back in 1844/5 ...

    Ps I must be your junior Ron...Much younger, and I have to say...prettier :)

    Gotcha, Brian :D

    And thank you very much for your sacrifice.
     
  2. PeterG

    PeterG Senior Member

    We had our fair share of wannabes and tall stories merchants contributing to the BBC's People's War Archive. This is one of my favourites:

    BBC - WW2 People's War - Back from Dunkirk

    Ah, men were men in them days, me hearties!
     
  3. beccajade

    beccajade Member

    How old was the imposter? The style of writing doesn't suggest he was a young niave lad. Strange that he didn't specify it was his grandfather.
     
  4. von Poop

    von Poop Adaministrator Admin

    Mid twenties.
     
  5. sapper

    sapper WW2 Veteran WW2 Veteran

    I read an account of a Sapper. (Not on this site) That seemed to be an exact copy of all that I posted here and there, in the past. But some of it was wrong, in that this "sapper" got certain elements totally wrong. Mistakes that no genuine Vet would make. But the similarity of the experiences were of such a nature.That the likelihood of coincidence, were beyond what would be expected

    But I am pretty sure that there are a great many that write as veterans, that definitely are not
    No Names, no pack drill ! I am certainly not going to name whatever.Thing that I find so odd is.... "What do they get out if it"
    sapper
     
  6. Theobob

    Theobob Senior Member

    Hi Sapper,
    Sounds like you have some bitter/sweet memories from Salisbury.
    The cafe was probably the Cadena, sadly no more it was in Blue Boar Row next to Style and Gerrish Dept store(my aunt worked there).
    Were you having treatment at Odstock?
    Salisbury is still a nice place to live,although it has grown a lot since my childhood,tons of old pubs did you ever visit The Haunch of Venison in Silver Street?
    Lots of military still around,we recently had The Rifles parade through town.
    The Woodford Valley,and Lake is very pretty.
    We mere mortals never get to see Sting.
    all the best
     
  7. Theobob

    Theobob Senior Member

    Hi Sapper,
    Sounds like you have some bitter/sweet memories from Salisbury.
    The cafe was probably the Cadena, sadly no more it was in Blue Boar Row next to Style and Gerrish Dept store(my aunt worked there).
    Were you having treatment at Odstock?
    Salisbury is still a nice place to live,although it has grown a lot since my childhood,tons of old pubs did you ever visit The Haunch of Venison in Silver Street?
    Lots of military still around,we recently had The Rifles parade through town.
    The Woodford Valley,and Lake is very pretty.
    We mere mortals never get to see Sting.
    all the best

    Err...... or could of been the Bay Tree(arch was probably Spire Gate!)
     
  8. dbf

    dbf Moderatrix MOD

    From WWIIf:
    "His memories were not fiction, if anyone felt the truth in his writings, then his words came through ... It was also not my goal in any way to live vicariously through him, or take credit for all he had been through."

    I was brought up to believe that "Actions speak louder than words." To my mind it is unfortunate that the actions of the person who posed as Jack Mulhair speak louder than his grandfather's words.

    How are we to believe anything that was posted here or on the sister site?

    For those who haven't already taken the time to check the posts on this forum here are a few that might be of interest. If you're inclined, I'd suggest that you check the rest of them, just in case you thnk I might have been too selective. Thankfully the posts aren't as numerous as on WWIIf.

    http://www.ww2talk.com/forum/war-against-japan/12874-they-waiting-us-die.html#post122630
    " Very well said,
    "You weren't there". "



    http://www.ww2talk.com/forum/user-introductions/12793-greetings-all-2.html#post121727
    "Asiatic-Pacific Campaign Medal with silver star
    CIB
    Purple Heart with clusters
    Bronze with clusters
    Silver star
    Unit Citation (s)
    There are some I can't remember, my son is going to bring down my foot locker, and my daughter is going to bring over my uniform and I'll try to remember what all the different fruit salad means. I do have a some commendations from the Philippines, or the Admirality Islands I don't remember which."



    http://www.ww2talk.com/forum/war-ag...nkle-massacre-nurses-japanese.html#post121538
    "Few today know what the japs did, some will down play it as the 'bushido code", well..I can tell you all first hand I remember them as murdering bloody savages."

    http://www.ww2talk.com/forum/all-anniversaries/8174-remembering-history-day-ww2-87.html#post123974
    "65 years ago today I was in Buna, tonight I sat with my children and their children around me."

    How easy it seems for anyone to use - or indeed invent - memoirs and indentify this as posted 'by someone who was there'!

    I certainly won't be able to believe anything he posted: why should I, he lied about who he was and his reasons sound like someone wriggling out of a long-standing hoax only after they were caught.

    This person's actions belittle his own relative's experiences as well as those of other veterans. I am afraid that to my mind is the legacy of the person who represented themselves as SouthWestPacificVet. This is all far more insidious than some buffoon who parades about with medals that he never earned.

    As to his motivations, I can't bring myself to agree with his assertion.
     
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  9. Ron Goldstein

    Ron Goldstein WW2 Veteran WW2 Veteran

    Peter
    You say:
    We had our fair share of wannabes and tall stories merchants contributing to the BBC's People's War Archive. This is one of my favourites:
    BBC - WW2 People's War - Back from Dunkirk
    Ah, men were men in them days, me hearties !

    Yes we did certainly have our share of "nutters" on the BBC website, but, being the BBC they were a very high class form of "nutter" :)

    Best regards

    Ron
     
  10. bofors

    bofors Senior Member

    Hi all
    Ron you said " I have owned a Yaris for the past couple of years." The Axis didn't get you before, so this is their way of getting you now!!!!!!!!
    P.S. Are you sure it is you and not Father Christmas having a day off- or did you kidnap him!!

    regards

    Robert

    Also it is sad to see that people have to be deceitful, but at least he owned up to it.
     
  11. Ron Goldstein

    Ron Goldstein WW2 Veteran WW2 Veteran

    Robert

    With reference to owning a Japanese Toyota, there was indeed a time when I gave serious thought to the origin of things before I bought them. However, in the world in which I now live, if I visit a store to make a purchase then I am completely aware of the fact that I am considering products from all over the world.

    If "my war" had been spent in the Far East and had I been a prisoner of war of the Japanese then I admit that it was less likely that I would eventually have owned a Yaris.

    Having said all that, I am delighted with the car and at my time of life it suits me well.

    That's it in the recent snowfall
     

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  12. Tom Canning

    Tom Canning WW2 Veteran WW2 Veteran

    we had many higher class nutters on the BBc series - one I recall who claimeed he was a Major in the 46th RTR - knocked out at Anzio- he went on a one man campaign to destroy a whole Panzer battalion who had had the temerity to knock him out - and spill his tea - by the end of the tale I was on the floor helpless from the sheer stupidity of it all -

    Later had a call from Geoff Prater who was with 51st RTR - advising that he was putting the Major up for at least two V.C's -I felt that the whole escapade was worth four V.C.'s
    Cheers
     
  13. sapper

    sapper WW2 Veteran WW2 Veteran

    Hi Tom, Keep well mate?
    The Sapper that I talked of, came from the same BBC source..... I just cannot believe that he would have the same experiences as myself. All of them...

    What prompts these people? being a vet never gave me anything except a load of pain...What also amazes me is the number of them. I was not aware of any fakes then out of the woodwork they appear all over the place
     
  14. von Poop

    von Poop Adaministrator Admin

    The Internet helps Brian, with care you can be whoever you like.

    Maybe we should put 'southwestpacificvet' up for a 'Medal of dishonor'...
     
  15. marcus69x

    marcus69x I love WW2 meah!!!

    What prompts these people?

    As a veteran you probably don't realise how cool it would be to some people to have people looking up to you. If they pretend to be a vet, people will look on them in awe and be inspired by things they say.

    It's a strange world with lots of nutters. :rolleyes:
     
  16. CL1

    CL1 116th LAA and 92nd (Loyals) LAA,Royal Artillery

    The Internet helps Brian, with care you can be whoever you like.

    Maybe we should put 'southwestpacificvet' up for a 'Medal of dishonor'...


    Agree VP

    The internet does give everyone the ability to live in a closet if they so wish and become their alter ego.Some cases are sheer fraud whilst others are perhaps a cry for help backed by possible mental health issues.
    Whilst the internet does enhance our vision it does also open up a whole new world to folk who perhaps would otherwise have been happy to keep their thoughts and fantasy within their own family group.

    on a lighter note

    I am not my father, well not yet anyway,still trying to find out if im to be collared for the 10 shillings and thrupence he owed for the damage to army property back in 42

    And Ron
    just as well its not the T Prius .Whilst driving over speed bumps make sure it has the latest software update for the ABS brakes .
     
  17. spidge

    spidge RAAF RESEARCHER

    If only he had posted his granddads notes and recollections as his grandson. He now has to live with knowledge that he has tarnished the memory of the person he purported to idolise.

    The letter reads of contrition but that is not good enough. He needs a swift kick up the a**e with a size 12.

    His age says he is supposed to be a man. He will have to live with this deceitful episode every time he thinks of his granddad.
     
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  18. Za Rodinu

    Za Rodinu Hot air manufacturer

    I took my cat to the Vet yesterday, do I get to earn any Brownie points for that? :D

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  19. von Poop

    von Poop Adaministrator Admin

    If only he had posted his granddads notes and recollections as his grandson. He now has to live with knowledge that he has tarnished the memory of the person he purported to idolise.

    The letter reads of contrition but that is not good enough. He needs a swift kick up the a**e with a size 12.

    His age says he is supposed to be a man. He will have to live with this deceitful episode every time he thinks of his granddad.

    100% on the money Spidge (As was Diane's post I reckon).
    What on earth is wrong with saying "this is Granddad's wartime stuff" (as so many here do) and using that as a springboard to finding out a bit more.
    That legitimate route adds a small slice to WW2 history, maybe honours a relative, and hopefully informs and interests those that care.

    Taking up this daft subterfuge just pees all over any attempt to get across anything of real worth. If you read his posts (& hundreds more have been removed at WW2F) he wasn't just relaying a story, he was entirely falsifying the 'current' viewpoint of a WW2 veteran. Often apparently adding his own opinions and attempting to give them a little gravitas by the 'I was there' masquerade.
    That ain't 'honouring' to my eye, it's just taking the piss.

    Everything he said, including real nuggets from the original man, is made worthless because of the fakery.
    A size 12 needed indeed.

    We know how difficult it can be to verify WW2 veterans online, and this chap's not going to stop us giving them a little identifier here when we think it fits. That can sometimes be a delicate business anyway, and I really can't see a 100% way of being sure every time (unless somebody already knows them already).
    Personally, I suspect it's quite possibly a good thing for the overall historiography to have at least one confirmed fake on public display, as a reminder to all to be a little cautious when taking anyone's online persona entirely at face value.

    ~A
     
  20. PeterG

    PeterG Senior Member

    Present company excepted, of course :)
     

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