Info: Australian? Allied Unit, Sub-Lt (E) ROBERT LINDSEY HALL , RNR. HMS Jervis Bay

Discussion in 'Australian' started by spidge, Nov 26, 2011.

  1. spidge

    spidge RAAF RESEARCHER

    I do not have much information at all on this lad so I would welcome any additions or corrections.

    :poppy:

    Any further information would be appreciated.

    Need assistance on Who/Where/What/How for this man who is on the Australian Commemorative Roll which is for those "Australians" who died in other Allied Services. If proved not to be "Australian" their names will not be removed from the Commemorative Roll however their details will be updated accordingly.

    I have researched the Air Force members but there are many more Land and Sea deaths in a myriad of different forces.

    There is not a lot of information on these people that can be accessed easily and I ask your assistance to fill in at least some of the gaps.

    Hopefully some relatives may see this thread and add more.

    I will make a different thread for each along the way as they may tend to get lost if clumped together.

    In Memory of
    Sub-Lieutenant (E) ROBERT LINDSEY HALL

    H.M.S. Jervis Bay, Royal Naval Reserve
    who died age 26
    on 05 November 1940
    Son of Henry James and Mercy Lorraine Hall, of Brisbane, Queensland, Australia.
    Remembered with honour
    LIVERPOOL NAVAL MEMORIAL

    Commemorative Roll - Robert Lindsay Hall

    Rank: Sub Lietuenant (E)
    Unit: HMS Jervis Bay
    Service: Royal Naval Reserve
    Conflict: 1939-1945
    Date of death: 5 November 1940
    Cemetery or memorial details: Liverpool Naval Memorial, United Kingdom



    Hall,
    Robert Lindsey

    Son of Henry James and Mercy Lorraine Hall, of Brisbane, Queensland, Australia.
    1914 ?
    -
    05.11.1940
    (KIA) [age 26]
    [Liverpool Naval Memorial, panel 2, column 2]
    T/S.Lt. (E)
    15.09.1939



    serving under the T.124 agreement
    15.09.1939
    -
    05.11.1940
    HMS Jervis Bay (armed merchant cruiser)
    If the Gods are Good - the sacrifice of HMS Jervis Bay

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    £7.99


    During the afternoon of the 5th November 1940, the 37 ships of convoy HX84, protected only by HMS Jervis Bay, a 1922 built merchant ship armed with a small number of obsolete guns, were discovered in mid Atlantic by the German pocket battleship Admiral Scheer. Having ordered the convoy to scatter, despite being outgunned and with no hope of survival, Captain Fergen and the crew of the Jervis Bay turned on the Admiral Scheer in one of the bravest acts of self-sacrifice of WW11. This very readable book tells the whole story of the action, through interviews with survivors on both sides; it also tells the stories of the convoy’s other ships, notably the tanker San Demetrio, whose exploits were turned in to a famous film. 264 text pages, plus 34 pages of B&W photos and a map. Paperback. Crécy Publishing
     
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  2. DaveB

    DaveB Very Senior Member

    Hi Spidge - a couple of bits of info from the newspapers of the day are attached.


    I notice that there is a small typo in the book advert - "notably the tanker San Dementrio"

    MV San Demetrio was the ship involved.....
     

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  3. DaveB

    DaveB Very Senior Member

    At least one other Aussie was on board

    (I have tried to fill in the blanks from the article from the Camperdown Chronicle).



    Naval History has: Jervis Bay, armed merchant cruiser, ship loss (Tuesday, 5 November 1940)

    NEWTON, William, Ty/Lieutenant (E), RNR, MPK (on CWGC - Royal Naval Reserve)


    However, I can't find him on the AWM CommRoll (CWGC = Son of John and Jessie Newton - not much help)
     

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  4. spidge

    spidge RAAF RESEARCHER

    Hi Spidge - a couple of bits of info from the newspapers of the day are attached.


    I notice that there is a small typo in the book advert - "notably the tanker San Dementrio"

    MV San Demetrio was the ship involved.....

    Good pick up. San Demetrio London is one of my favourite movies.
     
  5. spidge

    spidge RAAF RESEARCHER

    He is on the official list.

    Hall_Robert Lindsey_TheTimes_28Feb1941_HMS_Jervis_Bay_ROH.jpg
     
  6. DaveB

    DaveB Very Senior Member

    He is on the official list.

    View attachment 68414


    But can we make a case for William Newton to be added to the AWM CommRoll as an Aussie serving in another force?

    From what we have so far, his CWGC entry only reads "Son of John and Jessie Newton" (of where?). He is also the brother of Lancelot Newton of Silverleigh, Oakey, QLD (& brother-in-law of Alex Barnett of Cobden, Victoria)
     
  7. spidge

    spidge RAAF RESEARCHER

    But can we make a case for William Newton to be added to the AWM CommRoll as an Aussie serving in another force?

    From what we have so far, his CWGC entry only reads "Son of John and Jessie Newton" (of where?). He is also the brother of Lancelot Newton of Silverleigh, Oakey, QLD (& brother-in-law of Alex Barnett of Cobden, Victoria)

    I thought the Comm Roll was closed for new additions.

    Cheers

    Geoff
     
  8. DaveB

    DaveB Very Senior Member

    But can we make a case for William Newton to be added to the AWM CommRoll as an Aussie serving in another force?




    I think I have answered my own question as it looks doubtful that he would be considered "Australian" (if his name had been submitted for consideration when the roll was first put together it probably would have succeeded)

    Basically, it appears that the brother residing in Oakey, QLD that he sent a photo to in 1940 was living there after marrying a local girl in 1913 - at which time Lancelot was serving on a ship.

    His parents are mentioned as living in Aberdeen, Scotland.


    It still leaves the question of William Newton having a brother-in-law in Cobden, Victoria.....

    If William Newton married Alex Barnett's Australian sister, would that then make him "Australian"?

    Or did Alex Barnett become William's brother-in-law after marrying William & Lancelot's sister???


    All very confusing (or am I just making it that way?) - it is just that if someone is eligible for commemoration then I believe that they should have it
     

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  9. spidge

    spidge RAAF RESEARCHER

    All very confusing (or am I just making it that way?) - it is just that if someone is eligible for commemoration then I believe that they should have it

    I agree that he should be if he is Australian.

    With the Air Forces, I have 200+ that I sourced through Geoff's search engine and other areas, with a few (as you are aware) on the Roll of Honour and less than 100 on the Comm Roll.

    There seems to be quite a few missing as they were never put forward by their families for a myriad of reasons.

    There are a small number that through further available research, need to be eliminated from my "Air Forces" list however it still leaves a significant number who are not commemorated in their "home" country.

    Possibly, when this list is researched, we could pass this onto the AWM and have them attach a small bio to those already listed, while advising those that are not and push for their inclusion.

    Any Thoughts?

    Cheers

    Geoff
     
  10. DaveB

    DaveB Very Senior Member

    I thought the Comm Roll was closed for new additions.

    Cheers

    Geoff



    It doesn’t specify that the roll has closed for new entries, but I wouldn’t be surprised as it does sound familiar for some reason….


    All it states is:

    Commemorative Roll Introduction

    The Commemorative Roll commemorates Australians who died during or as a result of wars or warlike operations in which Australians have been on active service but who were not eligible for inclusion on the Roll of Honour.

    Eligibility

    The Commemorative Roll includes the names of those Australians who in other respects would qualify as eligible for the Roll of Honour, but who were:

    • members of the armed forces of allied countries;
    • members of the Merchant Navy;
    • members of philanthropic organisations;
    • war correspondents, photographers, or artists;
    • munitions and other workers;
    • official historians.
    In addition, a person must have been born in Australia, or have had Australia as his or her last place of domicile.

    Content

    The Commemorative Roll was primarily developed through appeals to the public for nominations, beginning in 1981. Other names were obtained from other sources, such as Merchant Navy records and service records of Allied Forces.

    Further information

    Enquiries relating to information contained in Commemorative Roll, including corrections, should be directed to (email)
     

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