Up to 1937 Irish Army troops wore German style coal-scuttle helmets manufactured by Vickers in the UK. Malcolm could anyone direct me to some pictures of this on the web as a quick search drew a blank, i'm absolutely fascinated to see this. cheers, eBay.co.uk: EIRE PREPARES FOR INVASION - Cleaning Anti-Tank Rifle (item 120117490741 end time 17-May-07 20:58:51 BST) Just found this. The identification notes on the back seem to be pretty conclusive (as oppossed to some pictures I've seen that have been questionable): "Ireland prepares for invasion New pictures of the Irish Army in Training The recruiting of the Irish Army is now in swing Cleaning the anti-tank rifle - while members of the Army studying map behind" There's no date but the first line implies that it 1939 onwards.
Cheers Kyt, Nice one. I should have updated the other thread as you (?) sent me some grainier pics a while back if memory serves.
VP, yes I did but now can't find the link or the picture now. Do you still have them? Sorry Kyt, went to merge my posts and included yours too.SORRY Owen
Also one here. Military Collection of Peter Suciu here http://home.arcor.de/ebaydepot/www-helmets/helmet-3.htm and THE IRISH
This photo on this items details eBay: Irish Army Helmet British 1940 Southern Brigade (item 230135482482 end time May-31-07 19:45:43 PDT)
I remember an article in Mil. Mod. back in the 80s by one of the Fosten brothers about Irish Army uniforms. If I remember rightly it was a dark green and they wore black '08 webbing. Wonder if Za has that in his collection of old Mil Mods? Didn't they also use Mausers?
Ahh, well done Owen. That's the picture I'd sent to VP sometime back, from another forum. Can't find the forum now.
Yes indeed they did use Mausers. But I think they adopted a more "British Uniform" as the "emergency" (As we called the war) progressed. Here is a link to the Irish Army Website : Introduction - The Irish Defence Forces As you scroll down you will see a pic of a Bofors gun crew wearing british style helmets.
I remember an article in Mil. Mod. back in the 80s by one of the Fosten brothers about Irish Army uniforms. If I remember rightly it was a dark green and they wore black '08 webbing. Wonder if Za has that in his collection of old Mil Mods? Hmm, should have... problem is I never took the trouble of making an index of the contents, so if you con't come up with a bit more detail I'd have to do a lot of digging, and I'm somewhat strapped for time right now.
I remember being at a Military fair a couple of years back where a local man gave a talk on Northern Irelands home guard. He had a few photos of the Irish army and their German like helmets. According to a few men he had interviewed there was many a story of edgy home guard patrols firing on our Irish neighbours thinking that an invasion had begun. This lead to a rapid rethink in headgear.
From a more recent addition to that Suciu site -I see the Irish weren't the only ones equipped with 'Coal Scuttles' : Afghan_Helmets.
They have adopted a more European style recently, using Austrian Steyrs as the default Infantry weapon. They still use the GPMG as their support weapon of choice.
There's a site on the Net SOMEWHERE that lists every small arm used by the Irish Defence Forces during the war by type and quantity; it would be fair to say it was quite a mish-mash!!! IIRC numbers' wise by around 1942-43 the SMLE was by far the most common battle rifle, with of all things the "legendary" WWI Ross Rifle for the LSF coming a close second!!!
Just been Goggling & found this nice pic of an Irish Rolls Royce & soldier in coal scuttle helmet so thought I'd post it here. Other Forces - Irish Rolls-Royce Armoured Car http://www.ww2incolor.com/d/491362-2/Irish_Army_Rolls-Royce_Armoured_Car_Co Description Irish Army Rolls-Royce Armoured Car Co. Cork 1941 During Summer training exercises.
If you look at information surrounding Operation Green - the Nazi plan from invasion of neutral Southern Ireland, the Allied Forces in the North came up with Plan W, the armed support for possible invasion of the south It would have cost many Irish lives if the Allied forces coming down from the north just shot at everything in what appeared to be a german helmet! Hence the need to rethink following the first joint talks in May 1940 and to get rid of the coal scuttle pics of helmets Google Translate .
Wasn't sure whether to pop this in the Boys Rifle thread, but as the site's already been referenced there, and the Irish coalscuttle is less well covered I'll bung it here. Just noticed a nice shot, said to be of Irish Squaddies unpacking their Boys while wearing that distinctive lid: UK & Canadian Hmmmm... It's been done - oh well.
Someone on Arrse linked to this: Afghanistan, 1950s / 1960s | Retronaut Pic 11 - Afghan Army - looks like coal scuttles to me.