J service, SIS, CMF

Discussion in 'Top Secret' started by mac657, Dec 9, 2013.

  1. mac657

    mac657 Junior Member

    Not really, i've managed to get hold of several books about 'J' and Phantom which have shed a bit more light on their operations. As i may have mentioned here (or on another thread) i need to research the nominal roll of the British air mission in Belgium at the outbreak of the war as i firmly believe that my relative served with them - but that's another story !

    What's your interest in J service ? I may be able to do a look up for you.

  2. mac657

    mac657 Junior Member

    Thanks Charley. I find it very interesting how the Army devised an alternative system of 'command & control' to supplement the established set-up. There was obviously a need for more effective comms and i find it interesting that some realised that need before others.

  3. rlyoun3910

    rlyoun3910 New Member

    I have a couple books, too. They raise more questions than revelations. However, it's nice to read about both aspects of PHANTOM and the J Service, and the seminal ideas that flourished. It is striking that such comms was realized as a battlefield necessity. One endearing question is how PHANTOM got into or its purpose was expanded to acquiring intelligence beyond the the simple concept of cavalry movement to contact or maintaining the critical liaison role, & keeping higher HQ informed. You read so much that air-to-ground & visa versa was never realized certainly by the US & Canadian forces. A constant struggle. From these books & tales UK forces figured it out. Fast forward 50 years. The 82nd Airborne Division's Long Range Surveillance Det / 313th MI Battalion, performed most of XVIII Airborne Corps' tactical & strategic comms during DESERT SHIELD/STORM 1990/1991 Iraq for several reasons. Intel without communications is useless; whereas comms w/o intelligence is noise. So my interests delve into their training, equipment, battlefield formations, & missions. So many lessons learned during WW II, yet remain shrouded in secrecy or obscurity. Great lessons. I'm very keen to learn & here more from your research. --Ray
  4. ash0212

    ash0212 Member

    I have numerous sources and documents concerning J and Phantom. Always interested in discussing their role. All the best Asher Pirt asher.pirt@gmail.com
  5. mac657

    mac657 Junior Member

    Thanks Asher, I have bought a couple of your excellent books which have been invaluable. However, I may take you up on your offer as I do still have a few blanks to fill in.


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