Malmedy massacre - Whats your take?

I interviewed quite a lot of them for my research, yes.

You're "Timo Wurst"? or was it someone else, I don't remember.

 

Impossible to prove or anything, but I think the ex airforce men would be more reluctant to kill civilians and POWs. Some of them may have disobeyed orders, since some US troops managed to escape

"I think"? Do you think or can you show proof? It's not quite the same thing.

 

*edit. Relax. I read that comment ages ago and it somehow registered.
Then don't use a twisted version of what the veteran actually said just to prove your flawed point. He talked about green SS soldiers who carried out the order to murder their prisoners. The fact that some of their victims survived has absolutely nothing to do with Luftwaffe boys disobeying orders.

 

You're "Timo Wurst"? or was it someone else, I don't remember.
You're warm but there's a spelling error in my last name. Anyway, since I choose to go by a nickname I don't see why you have to reveal my full name.

 

Wurst?

Is that a sausage?

 

There you go with spelling errors.

 

I wasn't trying to prove anything as this massacre isn't very high on my reading list. I was merely trying to put the possibility out there.

Wurst?

Is that a sausage?

That's a cool last name. Sounds like a stage name, for you know..

 

So first you make a spelling error in my last name, then a moderator asks what the misspelled new version of my name means and then the misspelled name is a cool stage name? But you don't answer my question why you have to reveal my name in the first place. What a forum

 

*okay, RELAX. Just a lighthearted comment.

 

Is this Kindergarten or what. Perhaps a mod can do some editing here?

 

A wise edit Wolfy but I won't forget what you wrote. Now, perhaps you care to provide evidence for this statement...
As for the NCOs, the Leibstandarte received some NCO/officer replacements from former Luftwaffe Field divisions since half of them were lost at Normandy

 

*okay, RELAX. Just a lighthearted comment.
We are relaxed Wolfy but we like to think that members will show respect for each other. Please try to remember that. Debate is good. Name-calling is not even if it is light-hearted.

 

A wise edit Wolfy but I won't forget what you wrote. Now, perhaps you care to provide evidence for this statement...

What is your disagreement?

 

This thread reported by a member. a pretty rare occurrence I promise you.

Wolfy, bail out of the thread mate and don't take it personally, no offence but all I can see is you causing a distraction.
Completely ignoring Gott, who's a Moderator attempting to moderate is my primary reason for insisting.
And remember, Mods & Admin can read the original content of edited messages - I have seen what was written.
I'm extremely unaccustomed to having to deal with balls like that on this site. It ain't how we try and play the game.

If you want a rather pointless stand-up argument with someone then take it to the profile messages, and even there keep it civil & never expect a response.

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Back to Malmedy
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Hear hear!

H

 

What is your disagreement?
When it comes to officer/nco replacements from the Luftwaffe to the Leibstandarte I would like to see some facts. I am perfectly aware that the division was rebuild with Luftwaffe replacements (upto 25 percent in some units) between October and early December 1944, but this was basically a bulk of privates. Officers still came from the SS Junkerschulen and only very few nco's were pressed into SS service. I know some examples from 1945 but to the best of my knowledge most new nco's were still from the SS ranks.

 

Ruimteaapje, I'd like to set up a rule if at all possible.

When you (or anyone else) is confronted by an "extraordinary" statement, let the person who made that justify himself instead of having the rest of the world try to contradict him while providing lots of information which is always denied.

I've seen this disruptive tactic working lots and lots of times elsewhere and I would not like seeing it happen here.

Quoting Bernard Shaw, "I learned long ago, never to wrestle with a pig. You get dirty, and besides, the pig likes it."

Let the pig build his own case if he has the ability to. Normally he doesn't.

 

Surely what happened was down to excesses by the SS,the Nazi Party Army,indoctrinated to the hilt and not requiring a reference above, in an eagerness to demonstrate their loyalty to Hilter.These people had the power to kill the enemy in whatever status they had, with no questions asked from above and the attitude that international law did not apply to them.

Is there an attempt to absolve the SS of this crime?Surely the post war trials provided a reflection on how the SS dealt with enemies of the state.The destruction of the SA leadership in 1934 provided a clue.Later,anybody who had graduated from the SS schools such as Bad Tolz were willing disciples in the imposition of SS values on the battlefield.

I am reminded of a publication from about 25 years ago where some revisionist was plying the tale that the Oradour incident was related to gold,thus providing a distraction to excesses by SS units in the field.

 

Is there an attempt to absolve the SS of this crime?
Yes, and the best known attempt is the Peiper-bio written by Patrick Agte. The sole purpose of that book was to turn a proven SS massacre into a fog of war accident for which the American victims were responsible (the fairytales about the pow's attempt to escape).

And indeed, Robin Mackness' ridiculous stories about the treasure in Oradour is quite pathetic. But so are the attempts from former "Das Reich" officers and their supporters to put the blame on the French resistance.

 

It appears to me that "Wolfy" will not provide any facts to support his assumptions.