More help with family members needed

hi all, had a lot of help from you guys researching my grandfather, now I am trying to find more info on his two brothers
Sub lieutenant j b Ganner 809 sqn died 12/07/1942, I know he was killed in an air crash accident flying off of HMS Victorious but not much else
And
SGT L H Ganner who was in the raf flying out of squires gate in no.3 school of general reconnaissance, I know he was in a crash landed Blackburn Botha on 20/07/1942 and survived but don’t know where he went from there, I found some info that had him as a warrant officer in 1944 but can’t find any other info or service number, any help would be greatly appreciated, thank you
Ade

 

Ade

have you sent off for their service records

Get a copy of military service records

regards
Clive

 

Sub-Lieutenant (A) GANNER, JOHN BERTRAM
Died 12/07/1941

H.M.S. Victorious.
Royal Naval Volunteer Reserve

Commemorated at LEE-ON-SOLENT MEMORIAL

Location: Hampshire, United Kingdom
Number of casualties: 1927

Cemetery/memorial reference: Bay 2, Panel 6.

Died in an air crash off the Norwegian coast whilst on exercise.


North East War Memorials Project - Every Name A Story Content

FAA, 809 Sqn, Victorious, air crash

GANNER, John B, Ty/Sub Lieutenant (A), RNVR, killed

POWELL, Leslie, Ty/Leading Airman, FAA/FX 79197, killed
Royal Navy casualties, killed and died, July 1941


Sub-Lieutenant (A) John Bertram Ganner...

 

Hi, I haven’t no, do I not need a service number to do that?

 

For service records you only need death cert and date of birth
for the casualty you have all the detail you require to send off for the service records

 

Date: 20-JUL-1942
Time:
Type:
Blackburn Botha I
Owner/operator: 3 S of GR Royal Air Force (3 S of GR RAF)
Registration: W5142
C/n / msn:
Fatalities: Fatalities: 0 / Occupants: 5
Aircraft damage:
Location: Moel Wnion, Carneddau Mountains, Wales - United Kingdom
Phase: En route
Nature: Training
Departure airport: RAF Squire's Gate
Destination airport:
Narrative:
Stalled onto the mountain, crew survived:
F/Sgt J.M Foster
F/Sgt L.Moss
Sgt L.H Ganner
Sgt J.Haig
Sgt J.A Rawlinson

Incident Blackburn Botha I W5142, 20 Jul 1942

 

I did find this but thank you, I can’t find any more info on him after this, my mum seems to recollect him saying he was a navigator in a bomber, but this is the only entry about him I can come up with

 

Ade

you wont find anything else about him on the internet
you need the official service records from the link I provided
do not pay for anything on the internet re both the people you are searching you will not get anything

regards
Clive

 

Ok Clive thank you for your help, I will go down your suggested route, although when I looked on the gov site it said I would need the service number for L H Ganners records...

 

service numbers do help but are not essential for service records

TD

 

AS you now know he died in 1941 not 1942

UK, British Army and Navy Birth, Marriage and Death Records, 1730-1960
Name: John B. Ganner
Event: Death
Birth Date: abt 1920
Death Date: 12 Jul 1941
Death Age: 21
Death Place: At Sea
Ship: Victorious


UK, Navy Lists, 1888-1970
Name: John Bertram Ganner
Year: 1941
Book Title: Navy List: April, 1941


TD

 

When a casualty is listed on the Commonwealth War Graves Commission, you don't need to get a death certificate, when applying for service records. You can download the forms and no evidence of kinship required either.

I've ordered ten records myself over time and have three on order currently with no kinship links. You still have to pay the £30 for each set of records.

 

Royal Navy Fleet Air Arm Flying Personnel 1939 - 1947


Seems to be a transcription error for the crew whose name was Powell.
For info, RN Officers did not have Service Numbers.

Tim

 

Ha - thought the other name was a little odd - Leslie Prisoner of Warell, it is in fact:

UK, Commonwealth War Graves, 1914-1921 and 1939-1947
Name: Leslie Powell
Age: 22
Birth Date: abt 1919
Death Date: 12 Jul 1941
Cemetery: Naval Memorials United Kingdom Lee-On-The-Solent
Burial Country: England
Father: William Thomas Powell
Mother: Florence Winifred Powell
Regimental Number: FAA/FX 79197
Region or Memorial: Memorial Register

UK, British Army and Navy Birth, Marriage and Death Records, 1730-1960
Name: Leslie Powell
Event: Death
Birth Date: 10 Jul 1919
Birth Place: Devynock, Breconshire
Death Date: 12 Jul 1941
Death Age: 22


TD

Forgot to add that hes also mentioned here next to J B Ganner

 

Aircrew Remembered have now corrected the transcription error shown in #13.

Thanks for contacting Aircrew Remembered
This appears to be originated during the transition of the supplied database into out database and was not picked up.
The errors have now been corrected.

Tim