Mystery US dog tag

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  1. alberk

    alberk Well-Known Member

    My grandmother apparently found this in her garden after the end of the war - that's what I was told. Her house was just west of the Rhine, opposite Wesel, so lots of Americans (mostly 9th Army) went through the area. There was never any talk that it belonged to a dead soldier, it was probably just lost by someone. Looking up this service number in Fold3 and the NARA database did not yield any result - the name comes up but with a different service number. Were there any fake IS tags in WW 2? Does anyone have an idea what might be behind this "mystery"?
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  2. Temujin

    Temujin Member

    I didn’t have any luck with that Name and Serial Number also…….but some info on reading the tag (assuming the Serial Number is correct)

    The first line is his name
    Second line is ARMY SERVICE NUMBER……12085288, and
    Then tetanus immunization - T42, and
    Then tetanus toxoid - 44, and
    Then blood type - AB
    Last on the bottom right is his RELIGION which was C = Catholic

    SERVICE NUMBER: 12085288

    First, he was in the “REGULAR ARMY” (not National Guard or a Draftee) - shown by the first number which as a 1 (ONE)

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    Next, he enlisted in the SECOND CORPS area - shown by the second number as a 2 (TWO)j

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    Last, the Second Corps Area he “enlisted” in the following area of the US

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    SOURCE: U.S. Army WW2 Dog Tags | WW2 US Medical Research Centre
     
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  3. Slipdigit

    Slipdigit Old Hickory Recon

    There was a Warren J. Newman, Jr. (SN unknown) in D Battery, 531st AAA
     
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  4. Temujin

    Temujin Member

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  5. Temujin

    Temujin Member

    IF…..this is the correct man……info on the 531st AAA

    Attachment periods to the 30th Division

    Antiaircraft Artillery
    531st AAA AW Bn (Mbl) 4 Mar 44-29 Oct 44
    531st AAA AW Bn (Mbl) 5 Nov 44-27 Jan 45
    531st AAA AW Bn (Mbl) 2 Feb 45-24 Jun 45


    Locations of the 30th Division (which the 531st AAA was attached to)

    1944
    22 Feb Liverpool Lancashire England
    24 Feb Chichester (Chichester Barracks) Sussex England
    1 Apr Chesham Duckinghamshire England
    15 Jun Isigny (1 mi S) Calvados France
    3 Jul Lison L'Eglise Manche France
    9 Jul Pont du St-Fromond Manche France
    16 Jul Pont Hebert (vic N) Manche France
    27 Jul Hebecrevon Manche France
    29 Jul Gonniviere Manche France
    6 Aug Le Mesmilland (1/2 mi W) Manche France
    14 Aug Barenton Manche France
    15 Aug La Martiniere Eure France
    20 Aug Crucy Seine-et-Oise France
    21 Aug Osney Seine-et-Oise France
    23 Aug Gaucil Seine-et-Oise France
    26 Aug Longnes Seine-et-Oise France
    28 Aug Issou Seine-et-Oise France
    30 Aug Montegeroult Seine-et-Oise France
    31 Aug Le Tillet Seine-et-Oise France
    3 Sep Bruyelle Hainaut Belgium
    7 Sep Couture St-Germain Hainaut Belgium
    8 Sep Jodoigne Brabant Belgium
    9 Sep Oreye Brabant Belgium
    10 Sep Flexe-les-Sline Brabant Belgium
    12 Sep Argenteau Liege Belgium
    13 Sep Noorbeek Limburg Neth
    17 Sep Gulpen Limburg Neth
    19 Sep Heerlen Limburg Neth
    12 Oct Herzogenrath Rhineland Germany
    17 Dec Hauset Liege Belgium
    18 Dec Francorchamps Liege Belgium

    1945
    12 Jan Malmedy Liege Belgium
    26 Jan Lierneux Liege Belgium
    4 Feb Aachen Rhineland Germany
    7 Feb Inden Rhineland Germany
    25 Feb Hambach Rhineland Germany
    27 Feb Rodingen Rhineland Germany
    3 Mar Juchen Rhineland Germany
    6 Mar Echt Limburg Neth
    18 Mar Alpen Rhineland Germany
    26 Mar Friedrichsfeld Rhineland Germany
    1 Apr Drensteinfurt Westphalia Germany
    2 Apr Neuenkirchen Westphalia Germany
    3 Apr Kaunitz Westphalia Germany
    5 Apr Augustdorf Westphalia Germany
    7 Apr Hameln Westphalia Germany
    10 Apr Gross Ilsede Westphalia Germany
    12 Apr Grasleben Westphalia Germany
    13 Apr Womirstedt Westphalia Germany
     
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  6. Tricky Dicky

    Tricky Dicky Don'tre member

    Possibles

    Warren J Newman
    1924–1976
    BIRTH 10 MAR 1924 • Asbury Park, New Jersey
    DEATH 26 JUL 1976 • New York, USA
    Birth 10 Mar 1924 Asbury Park, Monmouth, New Jersey, USA
    Residence 1945 Asbury Park, Monmouth, New Jersey, USA
    Marriage Oct 1950 Orange, Essex, New Jersey, USA
    Death 26 Jul 1976
    Father Edward Alston Newman (1906-1982)
    Mother Beatrice Emma Burns (1905-1976)
    Spouse Helen A Uram (Died 2014)


    Warren J. Newman Jr
    1921–1953
    BIRTH 4 FEB 1921 • New York
    DEATH APR 1953 • New York, New York, USA
    Birth 4 Feb 1921 New York, USA
    Residence 1942
    Marriage 9 Oct 1943 New York City, New York, USA
    Death Apr 1953 New York, New York, USA
    Father Warren Newman (1895-1929)
    Mother Mary R McMahon (Born 1899)
    Spouse Evelyn Shannon (1921-1990)

    They both have draft cars for WW2 but my subscription doesnt allow me to view them

    TD
     
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  7. alberk

    alberk Well-Known Member

    Thanks everybody - the 30th US Inf Div definitely was in action in the immediate vicinity - they crossed the Rhine there on March 24th, 1945...
     
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  8. Slipdigit

    Slipdigit Old Hickory Recon

    If you determine who the dog tags belonged to and if you want to find his family, consider posting at WW2F.com. They (we) may also help in you search

    It is a US-oriented forum that enjoys a close connection with this site and you will find many knowledge members who are in the US and could have resources not necessarily available to good Limeys here.
     
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  9. Puttenham

    Puttenham Well-Known Member

    You will find a soldier with this name from New York on Find A Grave. 1915-1976. May be him.
     
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    Dave55 Atlanta, USA

  11. Blutto

    Blutto Plane Mad

  12. alberk

    alberk Well-Known Member

    Hi Blutto, that thought had entered my mind, too. I am curious to find out whether that was possible in the US Armed Forces. In the British Army German Jewish immigrants were encouraged (or ordered) to assume a new English sounding name.

    Just as an aside: if you replace the first digit 1 in the above serial number by a 3 you get to Max Wohlfeiler, born in Danzig in 1906. ASN: 32085288 He enlisted a early as April 1941.
    But maybe that is pure coincidence.
     
  13. Blutto

    Blutto Plane Mad

    Always pays to think laterally, without barking up any dodgy trees :)
    Does anyone have a name that comes up with the quoted service number?
     
  14. alberk

    alberk Well-Known Member

    Blutto - to my knowledge (based on Fold3) there is no name to go with that service number. How comprehensive is the material accessible through Fold3? I have the impression that the results one gets are quite good - if a person existed and you have the correct spelling of a name you'll find him. The same goes for correct service numbers - if it existed you'll find something...
     
  15. Tricky Dicky

    Tricky Dicky Don'tre member

  16. BakerCo563rd

    BakerCo563rd World's Okayest Poster

    The NARA has huge gaps in regards to serial numbers. I've looked up everyone in my family tree who served in the Army in WWII, and many of them aren't in the database. There are large blocks of numbers missing - sometimes in the hundreds - so don't be discouraged if someone doesn't show up in the database.
     
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  17. alberk

    alberk Well-Known Member

    Thank you BakerCo563rd - that is the essential piece of information!
     
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  18. BakerCo563rd

    BakerCo563rd World's Okayest Poster

    You're welcome!
     
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