Oosterbeek 1944: search for -possible- South Staffs veteran

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  1. pegasus1988

    pegasus1988 Member

    Hello,

    My Oosterbeeker grandparents befriended an Arnhem veteran, of whom I unfortunately know very little.

    My uncle and father call him “Phil Lauder”and say he “crossed the river from/at the Oosterbeek Laag church”. I know he lived in Penkridge, near Wolverhampton, after the war.

    As for the unit he was with, I remain in the dark.
    It would seem to me that at least he was on the eastern side of the Oosterbeek perimeter.
    It could well be he was part of 2nd South Staffs, assuming he returned to South Staffordshire after the war.
    I have one picture of him from the mid 80’s -may that be of use.

    Could anyone perhaps enlighten me on this matter?

    Kind regards
     
  2. Tricky Dicky

    Tricky Dicky Don'tre member

    Searching births on Ancestry for a Phillip Lauder born 1924 +/- 10 years, I can find 2

    Name: Philip D S Lauder
    Registration Date: Jul 1918
    [Aug 1918]
    [Sep 1918]
    Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep
    Registration district: Upton
    Inferred County: Worcestershire
    Mother's Maiden Name: Hickman
    Volume Number: 6c
    Page Number: 215

    By 1939 he was already an Officer and went on to become a Lt Col, he was also apparently involved with SOE during WW2


    Name: Philip Lauder
    Registration Date: Oct 1919
    [Nov 1919]
    [Dec 1919]
    Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec
    Registration district: Gateshead
    Inferred County: Tyne & Wear
    Mother's Maiden Name: Dakers
    Volume Number: 10a
    Page Number: 2304

    This is just the start searching will continue and hopefully other members with access to different websites will add their results

    TD


    Checked all Lauder deaths in Staffordshire and none have a forename Phillip that I can find
     
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  3. Jonathan Ball

    Jonathan Ball It's a way of life.

    There is a Philip Launder in the nominal roll of the 2/South Staffs in By Land, Sea and Air. He was a Private in B Company but was taken POW and held at Stalag IV-B.
     
  4. horsapassenger

    horsapassenger Senior Member

    I think that you are referring to Philip Ernest Stephen Launder, born 9 October 1925. He was in 14 Platoon B Company South Stafford’s and was wounded and taken prisoner on the 26th September. His wartime address was in Codsall, near Wolverhampton which is 8 miles from Penkridge. He sadly passed away in 1991
     
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  5. Tricky Dicky

    Tricky Dicky Don'tre member

    UK, British Prisoners of War, 1939-1945
    Name: P Launder
    Rank: Private
    Army Number: 14673092
    Regiment: South Staffordshire Regiment
    POW Number: 77081
    Camp Type: Stalag
    Camp Number: IV-B
    Camp Location: Mühlberg, Elbe, Brandenburg
    Record Office: Infantry Record Office, Shrewsbury, Shropshire
    Record Office Number: 19

    Wonder if we can find out when he was captured??

    TD
     
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  6. Tricky Dicky

    Tricky Dicky Don'tre member

    Think that could be him from a family tree

    Philip Ernest S Launder
    1925–1991
    BIRTH DEC.QT.1925 (09 OCT.1925) • West Ham Essex England 4a 43
    DEATH JUL.1991 (07 JUL.1991) • Cannock Chase Staffordshire England 3a 505 Aged 65 Years.

    But the added detail says:
    Residence
    1942 • Mühlberg, Elbe, Brandenburg
    1 Source
    and has the POW record above attached for this detail

    TD
     
  7. pegasus1988

    pegasus1988 Member

    Thank you all most kindly.

    So he was indeed in the vicinity of the church, but didn’t make it across.

    I wonder whether he took part in the Sicilian campaign. I gather looking into ‘By land, sea and air’ would be worth a try. Fortunately they have quite an accessible Market Garden collection at the Arnhem library.

    Collectie Market Garden

    Many thanks once again.

    Kind regards
     
  8. Tony56

    Tony56 Member Patron

    Think the above by Tricky is Philip Dalrymple Scott Lauder of the 11th Hussars, photo below:
    Lauder.jpg

    11 Hussars war diaries, a few mentions of Lauder plus the units operations around Arnhem.
    http://daimler-fighting-vehicles.co.uk/DFV-File Part D003e-RAC-COL 11th Hussars war diary.pdf
     
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  9. horsapassenger

    horsapassenger Senior Member

    But the added detail says:
    Residence
    1942 • Mühlberg, Elbe, Brandenburg
    1 Source
    and has the POW record above attached for this detail

    14673092 is a General Service number which they didn’t start issuing until late 1942. The South Stafford’s didn’t proceed overseas until May 1943 so how he could be a POW in 1942 is questionable
     
  10. Tricky Dicky

    Tricky Dicky Don'tre member

    I think the family tree date for his POW ship (1942) is incorrect, its probably just a generic date, I can ask if they have some factual evidence for it

    and yes the other was Phillip Dalrymple Scott Lauder, later Lt Col - I think in the late 1950's or 1960's - the army would appear to be his whole life

    TD

    I have messaged 2 family tree originators what info they have for his date of capture (if any)
     
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  11. pegasus1988

    pegasus1988 Member

    In the Arnhem Rozet heritage center I found Philip Launder’s picture on page 113 of ‘By Land, Sea and Air’. His name is also amongst those thanked by the author in the preface. However, by scanning through I have not been able to trace any eye witness report by him, but maybe I overlooked?
     

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