Please could someone help??

Discussion in 'Recce' started by Jennie, May 12, 2017.

  1. amberdog45

    amberdog45 Senior Member

    Jen, I looked at Scotlandspeople website and this is of no use what so ever, between 1910 to 1920 there were 316 James Wrights born. Haven't looked at Irish births yet either. Do you know if Jim was English?
     
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  2. Jennie

    Jennie Member

    Hi, just a small update, i've spoken to my Auntie (J Wrights grand daughter) and i questioned the photo, was it definitely him etc.... obviously she can only go from what she was told, but everyone in the family thinks this is definitely him. I asked how my great grandmother got the photo and she said that they stayed in contact for many years, even after Alice was married (there was a brief spell of Alice's husband being in prison, and the contact may have been more than letters then)

    Again this is all presumptions.... i am getting the letters and photos hopefully today to try and get a better look at it.... Maybe it's Jim, maybe it's not.... maybe this will turn out me looking for 2 people.... Jim and the man in the picture....

    families huh? :)

    Again thank you all for your help
     
  3. SDP

    SDP Incurable Cometoholic

    Fascinating thread.

    Just a thought. There is a name and a date of birth. Isn't that enough to get his Service Records or at least to ask Glasgow for a Service Number. If you have the Service Number, it's possible to see which Corps/Regiment he was first assigned to......the rest should then follow....places, duties etc etc.
     
  4. Tony56

    Tony56 Member Patron

    Don’t’ think we know his date of birth. The James Nelson Wright mentioned above was speculative.

    As a point of interest a James Nelson Wright was ‘done’ for failing to illuminate his rear number plate in November 1930. The offence was at Long Bennington, Lincolnshire. His address was 38 Sycamore Grove, New Malden, Surrey, (that’s near Raynes Park).

    In 1939 the Wrights were at this address, Frederick & Gertrude, born 1877 & 1882 respectively, they were café proprietors. I assume possible parents. Likely sister Renee born 15 May 1913 may have later married someone by the name of Ansell.

    Any bells?

    Edit: James was a motor engineer (obviously had no bulb with him)
     
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  5. Jennie

    Jennie Member

    Hi tony.

    What i'm doing is making a dummy tree for james Nelson wright and trying to work forward from that to see possible family - maybe they'll recognise the pictures? If not they'll maybe confirm the address atleast.

    Interesting about the car - I assumed that they wouldn't have a car - but now I know he did (again assuming that this is the right man) - so of the distances etc make sense.

    I can see a possible marriage for him to a Constance l Capps .... that's where I am at at the moment :/
     
  6. Tricky Dicky

    Tricky Dicky Don'tre member

    England & Wales, Civil Registration Birth Index, 1837-1915
    Name: James Nelson Wright
    Registration Year: 1908
    Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar
    Registration district: Croydon
    Parishes for this Registration District: View Ecclesiastical Parishes associated with this Registration District
    Inferred County: Surrey
    Volume: 2a
    Page: 400

    1911 England Census
    Name: James Nelson Wright
    Age in 1911: 3
    Estimated birth year: abt 1908
    Relation to Head: Son
    Gender: Male
    Birth Place: Raynes Park, Surrey, England
    Civil Parish: Heston
    Search Photos: Search for 'Heston' in the UK City, Town and Village Photos collection
    County/Island: Middlesex
    Country: England
    Street address: 84 Bath Road, Hounslow
    Registration district: Brentford
    Registration District Number: 128
    Sub-registration district: Isleworth
    ED, institution, or vessel: 20
    Household schedule number: 34
    Piece: 6825
    Household Members:
    Name Age
    Frederic Wright 34
    Gertrude Wright 29 (From a family tree possible maiden name of Agate)
    James Nelson Wright 3


    England & Wales, Civil Registration Marriage Index, 1916-2005
    Name: James N Wright
    Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1939
    Registration district: Surrey North Eastern
    Inferred County: Surrey
    Spouse: Constance L Cpps
    Volume Number: 2a
    Page Number: 203

    Name: Constance L Capps

    London, England, Electoral Registers, 1832-1965
    Name: James Nelson Wright
    Year: 1939
    County or Borough: Hendon
    Ward or Division/Constituency: Wembley North East
    Street address: 4 [Edgware Middx
    Reference Number: MR/PER/C/0684
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    England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007
    Name: James Nelson Wright
    Birth Date: 16 Jan 1908
    Date of Registration: Nov 1996
    Age at Death: 88
    Registration district: Eastbourne
    Inferred County: Sussex
    Register Number: A67E
    District and Subdistrict: 4541A
    Entry Number: 69

    TD
     
  7. Tricky Dicky

    Tricky Dicky Don'tre member

    I would assume the following are his siblings:

    Name: Frederic B R Wright
    Mother's Maiden Name: Agate
    Registration Year: 1911
    Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep
    Registration district: Brentford
    Parishes for this Registration District: View Ecclesiastical Parishes associated with this Registration District
    Inferred County: Middlesex
    Volume: 3a
    Page: 190

    Name: Renee M Wright
    Mother's Maiden Name: Agate
    Registration Year: 1913
    Registration Quarter: Apr-May-Jun
    Registration district: Brentford
    Parishes for this Registration District: View Ecclesiastical Parishes associated with this Registration District
    Inferred County: Middlesex
    Volume: 3a
    Page: 190

    Name: Basil O Wright
    Mother's Maiden Surname: Agate
    Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1916
    Registration district: Kingston
    Inferred County: Kent
    Volume Number: 2a
    Page Number: 711
    His CWGC record states - Father: Frederic Wright - Mother: Gertrude Wright

    Name: Olive T Wright
    Mother's Maiden Surname: Agate
    Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1918
    Registration district: Kingston
    Inferred County: Surrey, Kent
    Volume Number: 2a
    Page Number: 649

    Name: Allan G Wright
    Mother's Maiden Surname: Agate
    Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1922
    Registration district: Kingston
    Inferred County: Surrey
    Volume Number: 2a
    Page Number: 764

    TD
     
  8. KevinBattle

    KevinBattle Senior Member

    Coming late to this so not much of any worth to add, except
    it seems No 36 Parsons Mead no longer exists, but No 30 is split into many flats, suggesting No 36 may have been as substantial. If James Nelson Wright and your great grandmother met, was it whilst both were in service at this address?

    No 38-40 is now the Croydon Tabernacle and looks to be post War construction, as do many nearby.
    However, if it was heavily bombed in the Blitz or V1/V2 that might explain the new construction, but the only WW2 casualties were a family of 5 in 108 Parsons Mead.

    If James Nelson Wright died in Eastbourne in 1996, then there might be relatives in that area, so a letter/email to the local Eastbourne Herald might produce something, although I couldn't trace an Obituary in their files, so he may have been living on his own with no immediate family.

    So, not much...

    Like others, I find the wartime photos hard to reconcile with someone fathering a child in the early 1940's, and I'm a little surprised she had the strength of character to refuse an offer of marriage, especially pressure from her own parents.
     
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  9. Tony56

    Tony56 Member Patron

    IF, we are still looking at James Nelson Wright then he is possibly in the 1939 Register:-

    Plot 200, Kenilwoth Road, Hendon
    Wright, James N / dob 16 Jany 1908 / married
    Wright, Constance L / 7 Sept 1912 / married

    One interesting entry is his occupation ‘Aero engine inspector’. Kenilworth Road is under 2 miles from RAF Hendon.

    Could this be the same man that ended up in the Recce Corps.?
     
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  10. Tony56

    Tony56 Member Patron

    Also, for info C1959:
    Parsons Mead.jpg
     
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  11. Tricky Dicky

    Tricky Dicky Don'tre member

    England & Wales, Civil Registration Birth Index, 1837-1915
    Name: Constance L Capps
    Mother's Maiden Name: Pryce
    Registration Year: 1912
    Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec
    Registration district: Willesden
    Parishes for this Registration District: View Ecclesiastical Parishes associated with this Registration District
    Inferred County: Middlesex
    Volume: 3a
    Page: 457

    Right dates of birth, right names, right places Hendon & Willesden not far apart, married in late summer 1939 - it all seems to fit - anyone any other ideas??

    TD
     
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  12. Tricky Dicky

    Tricky Dicky Don'tre member

    Have been trying to see if there is more info, - cant seem to find a death cert for her - and the only other possible reference to their family is a possible son, but all I have is :

    England & Wales, Civil Registration Birth Index, 1916-2005
    Name: Geoffrey J Wright
    Mother's Maiden Surname: Capps
    Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1943
    Registration district: Hendon
    Inferred County: Hertfordshire, Oxfordshire, Buckinghamshire, Middlesex
    Volume Number: 3a
    Page Number: 963

    TD
     
  13. KevinBattle

    KevinBattle Senior Member

    Noticed a typo in my earlier post - apologies....
    should, of course have referred to .... in the early 1930's...
     
  14. Tricky Dicky

    Tricky Dicky Don'tre member

    Thats OK Kevin - I put it down to jet lag, either that or its because your absorbing the atmosphere of Sussex :-P

    TD
     
  15. SDP

    SDP Incurable Cometoholic

    Gentlemen

    I'm following this thread with great interest. I must admit that I'm always fascinated by this sort of almost forensic approach to a family 'puzzle' and I commend you for your efforts. Having said that, although it is only 48 hours or so since Jennie visited the site, the fact is that she hasn't posted since Sunday. I am sure she is appreciative of your efforts on her behalf but, bearing in mind the phenomenal amount of information she now needs to digest, sift through and collate and no doubt has other things to do, I'm wondering if it would be best to sit back for a short time so she can catch up. In this respect I speak from personal experience from both being helped by others and by me helping others - power of silence and all that stuff!

    Please do not take my comments in any negative way but I am very aware from past experience that too much information can also lead us all up the wrong investigative path. I made such a mistake and it cost me about five years worth of investigation along that, albeit relatively minor, investigative path (I was researching a guy who I had been told was my fathers tank Commander but it turned out that, while he had been at one time, he was not said Commander at the time in question).

    If I have interpreted the situation incorrectly then I apologise.
     
  16. Tricky Dicky

    Tricky Dicky Don'tre member

    Hi SDP

    Enjoyed your comments and you could be right, but sometimes inspiration attacks at any or odd times and that need to answer that niggling question in the back of your mind needs to scratched. So in my view providing what you can when you can could also stop someone going down the wrong path and put them on the right path. I try to provide as much information as possible for the originator to be able to place all the known pieces of the jigsaw on the table and see what happens, in this case that may take Jennie 1 day or 1 year, that's her prerogative, however if the mood takes me and if any other question/ideas need scratching from my point of view then I think its my duty to at least post them for others to disseminate as they see fit.

    TD
     
  17. SDP

    SDP Incurable Cometoholic

    TD

    I totally concur. Jennies question is fascinating and hopefully she will bottom everything out which is, after all, why she posted in the first place. Always a difficult balancing act between lack of information and too much information. As I'm sure you will agree, it's the end result that actually counts.

    Steve
     
  18. KevinBattle

    KevinBattle Senior Member

    "Thats OK Kevin - I put it down to jet lag, either that or its because your absorbing the atmosphere of Sussex :-P"
    Yep, TD, us minions need to stick together like Gru...........
     
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  19. Jennie

    Jennie Member

    Hi Guys, first off let me say thank you soooo much for all of the input, and secondly let me apologise for not coming back sooner, school holidays etc have not left me much time for family hunting, but i am here today and going to sift through all i can.

    I have made a dummy tree on Ancestry and have a lot of family for this James Nelson guy.... so if it's not him, i hope his family do see it because there's a lot there haha.....

    It's interesting the possible son, that's my only hope i think at this point, hoping someone may recognise pictures or addresses etc.

    I am also going to stalk the hell out of the possibility of him being an Aero Engineer, my wondering is though, and i assume you'll know more than me - the pictures, hes Army yes? Would it be likely he'd move to RAF?

    Again, thanks so much for your help :)
     
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  20. ritsonvaljos

    ritsonvaljos Senior Member

    It's a difficult puzzle for you to try and solve, Jennie. It might all fall into place eventually. Keep going with it!
     

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