Even the greatest soldiers had trouble obtaining POW lists. This is from WO361/238, with the usual apologies and acknowledgements: 1 December 1945 To: The War Office Casualty Branch, Edge Lane, Liverpool, 7. Dear Sir, With reference to your M/1038.R, I have been handed this letter by Captain J.N.Neale, R.A., who is one of the Officers in my Regiment. My own details are as follows:- 33862 Lt.-Colonel P.J.D. Toosey, R.A. and I have been in command of the 135 Field Regiment, R.A., since the 1st September 1941. My Regiment has formed an Association in order to assist in the solving of the problem of our lost and dead members in the Far East. I have obtained a list of casualties of which we are certain. This amounts to some 170 names. I have fairly full particulars of these 170 men. We believe, however, that our total casualties must be in the neighbourhood of 260 and we are making every effort to complete these records. When these records are completed I propose, if possible, to write a letter to every next-of-kin as the Commanding Officer of the Regiment, which I feel to be my duty. There are also many other problems of a domestic nature which we shall endeavour to solve for our men. We have already arranged two Reunions the week after next, which will help to collect more information and solve some problems. If it is agreeable to you, I propose to call on you one day next week and discuss the whole matter with you, since I believe we can be mutually helpful. My telephone number is .... and I shall be at home from Monday afternoon, 3rd December, for at least ten days. I believe that through our Regimental Association we ultimately shall be able to solve the whereabouts of the whole Regiment, which will be a step towards the difficult problem of finding the number of deaths amongst Prisoners of War in the Far East. (...) (sgd) PJD Toosey Lt.-Colonel R.A. Commanding C.M.D.G. 135 (Herts Yeomanry) Field Regiment R.A. Reply dated 10th December 1945. The War Office, Edge Lane, Liverpool, 7 M/367 Cas.L. Dear Colonel Toosey, Casualties 135 Fld. Rgt. R.A. I enclose the list of names of those under your command who are still shown as "missing" in our records. We should be so very grateful for any information you can supply regarding them. We will let you know as soon as any of the cases are disposed of - unhappily I am afraid in most, by presumption of death, so that you can then communicate with the relatives. (...) Thank you again very much indeed for the splendid records you have given in such desperate circumstances. They will do so much to relieve the minds of relatives - even though it be sad news - and make our work easier. Yours sincerely, V. Harvey A third letter is from Lieut-Colonel A.W. Hackett, 2nd-in-Command, Royal Artillery Records (Field), Foots Gray, Sidcup, Kent to: Mr. V. Harvey, War Office (Casualties), Edge Lane, Liverpool, 7, dated 4th Fenruary, 1946. Dear Mr Harvey, 135 Field Regiment, R.A. Thank you for your M/367/66A/CAS.L. of 1 Feb 46. I am afraid with release problems at their peak, it is not possible to supply Colonel Toosey with the information he requires. As you can imagine, all Regiments have been on the same game, but in all cases we have, unfortunately, had to turn it down and they have supplied military clerks to attend at this office and get out the lists as required. I will write to Col. Toosey today and point out to him that we will co-operate if he can supply the man or men to do the job. (...) Yours sincerely, (sgd.) Ambrose W. Hackett (ends)
Could I post this here in case anyone with an interest in POW camps on Java or Japan comes looking for names? It is the index of the places and names which appear in 'FROM JAVA TO NAGASAKI', a 1942-1945 diary of a prisoner captured on Java (Magic Rat Books) Units 3rd Hussars, 205 6th HAA Regiment, 30, 33, 57, 218 15th Punjab Regiment, Indian Army, 209 16th AA Brigade, 204 21st LAA Regiment, 219, 220 34 (B) Squadron, 202 35th LAA Regiment, 218 48th LAA Regiment, 216, 218 77th HAA, 5, 14, 30, 33, 35, 57, 58, 64, 69, 70, 76, 77, 120, 162, 167, 186, 187, 199, 202, 203, 205, 207, 208, 210, 212, 217, 218, 220, 221, 222, 223 84 Squadron, RAF, 218 174 Field Ambulance, 223 211 Squadron, RAF, 218 Royal Corps of Signals, 218 Royal Electrical and Mechanical Engineers, 220 Royal Engineers, 209 People and Places Ainsley, John, 11, 203 Ambon, 212 Angel Island, 195, 225 Australia, 9, 13, 42, 47, 211 B, Dick, 48, 58 Baker, Billy, 212 Bandoeng, 42, 67, 78, 210, 214 Barry, Wales, 5, 203 Batavia, 5, 10, 11, 16, 17, 23, 29, 30, 33, 40, 64, 67, 78, 81, 82, 202, 204, 205, 212, 213 Baxter, John, 199, 201, 202, 205, 206, 208, 209, 213, 214, 215, 219, 220, 222 Benghazi, 10 Berlin, 152, 165, 173, 222, 223 ‘Bijou Maru’, 223 Birch, Captain, 20, 205 Black, Bill, 11 Blakey, George, 187, 224 Blakey (PoW, unknown first name), 20 Boei Glodok, 77, 205, 213 Boei Glodok (life at), 17-23, 70-77 Borneo, 41, 209, 210 Boxall, Jimmy, 11, 203 Bradford, England, 219 Brandon, Sidney Charles, 106, 218 Brooke, Rupert, 101 Burma, 8, 84, 160, 203, 209, 212, 215, 222 Burrlock (Burrluck), Sergeant AO, 103, 218 California State Military Museum, 225 Camp 8, Kamo, 216 Camp 8, Kamo (life at), 87-190 Canada, 195, 225 Cape Town, 7, 8, 9 Cardiff, 5, 29, 36, 81, 102, 118, 125, 197, 203, 208, 209, 211, 212, 219, 222 Cardiff Arms Park, 197 Cardiff City FC, 203, 208, 209, 212 Cardiff Rugby Club, 5, 197, 203, 219 Cardigan, 207 Ceylon, 9 Changi, 209, 212, 215 China, 86, 87, 219 Chungkai, 212 Chungking, 187 Churchill, Winston, 7, 10, 111, 208, 223 Clapton, London, 219 Coconut Grove, 45, 46 Cole, Driver S, 187, 224 Colombo, 9 Convoy DM2, 5 Convoy WS14, 5, 201 Cox, Alan, 120 Cox, Pat, 11, 59, 212 Crete, 8 Crewe, 210 Curtis, Ernie, 34, 208, 212 Cycle Camp (aka Bicycle Camp), 67, 70, 71, 73, 74, 75, 76, 77, 82, 212, 213, 214 Cycle Camp (life at), 67-70, 77-78, 82-83 Davies, Sergeant, 84 Davies, Griff, 25, 38, 40, 41, 42, 43, 44, 45, 46, 47, 48, 49, 50, 51, 52, 56, 57, 60, 61, 63, 65, 67, 68, 70, 71, 72, 75, 76, 77, 83, 207 Derbyshire, 210 Donnington, 210 Dudley, 224 Dunn, Frank, 202 Dunn, Neville, 202 Durban, 5, 7, 8 Edwards, Hugh, 11, 132, 181, 199, 201, 203, 208, 216, 217, 220, 223 ‘Empress of Australia’, 202 England, 10, 13, 20, 25, 26, 32, 36, 58, 66, 81, 106, 109, 123, 130, 142, 165, 169, 170, 179, 203, 223 Evans, Bert, 8, 23, 29, 37, 44, 45 Evans, Dai, 191 Evans, Horace, 11 Evans, Ken, 81 Exeter, 219 Far East War Crimes Tribunal, 213, 220 Fawcett, FS, 44, 211 Fleming, Bill, 195 Fobes, Hal, 165, 172, 186, 188, 222 Forge, John ‘Dusty’, 43, 44, 210 Formosa, 18, 86, 220 Fort Lewis, 195 Fort McDowell, 225 Freetown, 5 Frome, 5, 36, 125 Fryett, Frank, 9, 18, 28, 33, 35, 41, 42, 43, 44, 45, 46, 47, 48, 49, 50, 51, 52, 53, 56, 57, 58, 60, 61, 63, 64, 65, 66, 67, 70, 71, 75, 76, 77, 78, 80, 83, 88, 89, 90, 91, 92, 93, 100, 105, 107, 109, 110, 120, 122, 123, 125, 126, 128, 131, 132, 136, 137, 138, 139, 140, 141, 143, 148, 149, 153, 156, 163, 167, 168, 169, 170, 171, 174, 175, 178, 185, 186, 187, 188, 189, 190, 191, 192, 196, 202, 220 Gardner, Les, 170 Garoet, G, 16, 205 Gaskell, Major GFG, 12, 16, 30, 81, 203 Gibson, Corporal, 99, 218 Glamorgan County Cricket Club, 197, 203 Glasgow, 161, 210, 218 Goronwy, John W, 182, 223, 224 Gosney, Ronald, 128, 220 Grandon, Dai, 11, 60, 119, 122, 128, 130, 187, 188, 189, 191, 196, 212 Grider, James A, 152, 157, 164, 165, 169, 188, 221 Guadalcanal, 208 Guernsey, 205 Hampson (PoW, unknown first name), 136 Hancock’s Breweries, 203 Hardacre, Harvey, 11, 60, 72 Haruku, 212 Hawarden, 210 Hawkins, Charlie, 18, 205 ‘H’ Force, 203, 212 Higashi Misome, 211 Hitler, Adolf, 166, 223 HMS Glory, 196, 225 HMS Ramillies, 9, 201 Hoeffer, Frank, 213 Honolulu, 193, 225 Honshu Island, 211, 224 Horner, RM, 210, 215 Humphries, HR, 12, 17, 22, 27, 29, 30, 31, 40, 43, 44, 45, 47, 48, 49, 50, 51, 52, 53, 56, 57, 58, 59, 203, 204, 205, 206, 207, 212 Hunt, Les, 19, 35, 36, 37, 39, 41, 42, 43, 44, 211 Inatsukimachi, 87, 216, 221, 224 Jakarta, 5 Jakarta War Cemetery, 205, 207, 208 James, Billy, 209, 212 James, Noel, 19, 20, 28, 41, 42, 70, 76, 77, 83 Japan, 5, 43, 44, 55, 57, 58, 66, 77, 84, 87, 105, 119, 123, 127, 138, 144, 148, 156, 160, 172, 182, 183, 197, 210, 211, 214, 216, 220, 221, 222, 223, 224, 225 Java, 5, 11, 16, 33, 39, 53, 83, 87, 117, 138, 141, 152, 162, 196, 201, 202, 203, 204, 205, 209, 210, 211, 212, 213, 214, 215, 224 Jesselton, 210 Jones, Allan, 204 Jungle Journal, 15, 17, 32, 62, 204, 207 Kama, Fukuoka Prefecture, 223 Kanchanaburi hospital camp, 212 Kent, England, 219 King, Reg, 120, 220 King Victor Emmanuel III, 214 Knight, William, 32, 208 Kokura, 211 Konno, Shiggy, 197 Kuching, 210 Kyushu, 87, 216, 219, 224 Lanarkshire, 218 Lane, Colonel CM, 40, 52, 53, 209 Leicester, 218 Lewendon, Brigadier RJ, 202 Lewis, Jack, 7, 41, 141, 221 Lloyd, Herbert ‘Doc’, 24, 25, 26, 42, 50, 51, 206 Lock (unknown first name), 14 Lock, George, 11 MacMillan, Captain HMR (also McMillan), 11, 203, 224 Malang, 56 Malaya, 202, 209, 221 Manchukuo, 166, 181, 223 Manilla, 85 Manorbier, 190, 191, 224 ‘Marine Shark’, 192, 225 Marriott, Ted, 207 Middlesex, 219, 220 Milligan, Jonny, 11 Missen, Sergeant LA, 110, 121, 149, 219 Mitchell, SD, 44, 211 Miyata camp, 224 Moji, 139, 211, 216, 224 Moji Number 4 camp, 211, 221 Mombasa, 8 Motoyama, 211 Mussolini, Benito, 79, 166, 214, 222 Musson, John Wilfred, 108, 218 Nagasaki, 182, 189, 190, 223 Nelson, David, 209, 212, 215 Newport, Wales, 5, 220 New York, 196, 197, 225 Nippon Times, 165, 222 North Africa, 71, 213 Norway, 8 O’Fitzpatrick, M, 11, 59 Ohama, 210, 211, 224 O’Hara, Michael, 105, 218 Okinoyama, 211 Olympia, Canada, 195 Onada, 211 Otago, New Zealand, 211 Ottawa, 196 Oversay, 5 Owens, Henry, 148, 221 Owens, Tudor, 78 Pearl Harbor, 5, 194, 220, 225 Penarth, 191 Penarth Water Polo Club, 203 Perkins, Syd, 193, 225 Perry, Harry, 150, 151, 158, 221 Philippines, 85, 86, 192 Phillips, Rev, 33, 208 Pontefract, 218 Pontypridd, 223, 224 Pritchard, Jackie, 209, 212 Probert, Johnny, 12, 44, 203, 211 ‘Queen Mary’, 196, 197 Rabinovitch, Simon, 112, 219 Rangoon, 8 Reardon Smith, Alan, 25, 38, 40, 41, 42, 43, 44, 45, 46, 47, 48, 49, 50, 51, 52, 53, 55, 56, 57, 60, 61, 62, 63, 64, 66, 67, 68, 69, 70, 71, 72, 75, 76, 79, 83, 207, 215 Reardon Smith, William, 207 Rhondda, 204, 220 Riley, Dennis, 207 Roberts, Stan, 205, 207, 215, 216, 217, 222 Roosevelt, Franklin D, 163, 222 Russia, 28, 125, 131, 139, 142, 152, 165, 222 Rutter, John, 38, 61, 65, 72, 76, 77, 79, 83, 84, 209 San Antonio Express, 225 San Franscisco, 192, 193, 194, 195, 223, 225 Seattle, 194, 195 Serang, 70, 213 Shepherd’s Bush, 225 Shikoku Island, 224 Shrine, Ron, 11 Sicily, 81, 214 Simonoseki Hospital Camp, 211 Singapore, 8, 9, 10, 39, 84, 85, 190, 202, 209, 210, 212, 215, 222, 223, 224 ‘Singapore Maru’, 210, 211, 221, 224 Sitwell, HDW, 13, 204 Smead/Smeed, Joe, 105, 218 Sonei, Kenichi, 213 Southampton, 197 Southend-on-sea, 217 Southport, 212 South Wales Echo, 197, 203, 209, 212, 219 Staffordshire, 205, 208, 221 Stalin, 223 Stanton, Lionel, 112, 128, 163, 178, 182, 219 Stiles (unknown first name), 14 Stoodley, JH, 11, 203 Street, Ken, 11, 203 Street, Major, 141, 221 Street, Stan, 24, 117, 207, 220 ‘Suez Maru’, 204, 209, 212 Suffolk, 222 Sumatra, 10, 11, 39, 83, 215 Sumption, Ted, 14, 67, 204 Sunda Strait, 84, 215 Surabaya, 11, 59, 69, 78, 202, 203, 204, 212, 223 Surrey, 219 Sutcliffe, Corporal, 108, 109, 219 Sydney War Cemetery, 211 Taiwan, 220, 223 ‘Tamahoko Maru’, 223 Tandjong Priok, 23, 67, 68, 72, 77, 82, 104, 156, 204, 205, 207, 208, 209, 210, 212, 214, 222 Tandjong Priok (life at), 23-67 Tasikmalaya, 14, 24, 204, 207 Taylor, Ken, 19, 22, 41, 42, 58, 212 Thai-Burma Railway, 203, 209, 212, 215, 222 Thailand, 162, 212, 222 Thompson, Charles, 19, 205 Tjideng internment camp, 213 Tjilatjap, 13, 14, 56, 204 Tjimahi, 78, 214 Tjisompet, 15, 204 Toda, 1st Lt, 222 Tojo, Hideki, 121, 220 Tottenham, 218 Trealaw, South Wales, 221 Trogong, 205 Truman, President, 223 Twickenham, 20, 110, 219 Ube, 211 Upton, HC, 208 USS Chenango, 190, 224 USS Tang, 224 USS Bonefish, 204 ‘Ussuri Maru’, 215, 216 V, Ken, 38, 48, 58 Vancouver, 225 Wallis, WL, 203 Wangon Cross, 204 ‘Warwick Castle’, 5, 50, 201 Watson, Frank, 117, 124, 143, 151, 152, 169, 219 Weeks, Mac, 11, 43, 211 Welsford, Norman, 91, 112, 122, 123, 178, 217, 220 Wermuth, Arthur, 225 West Bromwich, 222 Williams, Emrys, 159, 160, 222, 224 Williams, Frank, 202, 205, 213 Williams, Peter, 87, 89, 91-95, 101-105, 107-111, 113- 117, 119-123, 125-126, 130-137, 139- 144, 147-158, 160-162, 165-176, 178-180, 182-192, 196, 216 Williams, Ronald, 202, 205, 213, 224 Windhurst/Windust, Sergeant, 161, 222 Winnipeg, 196 Wood, Jack, 122, 136 Wooller, Wilf, 12, 14, 17-23, 25-31, 33-53, 55-58, 60, 61, 63-68, 70, 71, 72, 74, 75, 76, 78-86, 118, 197, 203, 215, 219 Woolley, AA, 99, 126, 217 Wright, Sergeant A, 161, 222 Yawata Steel Mill, 211 Yokohama, 44 Yokohama Cremation Memorial, 221 Yokohama War Cemetery, 218, 219, 220, 221, 222 ‘Yoshida Maru’, 210, 224 Zentsugi camp, 224
I have come across this site and topic in the hope of finding more information on my Grandfather who was a POW in Italy and Germany from 23.1.42 to 16.4.45. I'm hoping one of you amazing knowledgable people can help me find more information on what camp he was at. His name was George H Sedgwick (think the H is for harold) and he was a gunner enlisted into Royal Artillery, Territorial Army his service number was 871287. I have his army record in front of me which just says served overseas: Middle East from 2.6.41 to 22.1.42 then POW Italy and Germany from 23.1.42. to 16.4.45. I only ever heard my grandad say " i have seen men sell out their best friend for a cigarette" . Would love to know more on what camps he was at so my son can know more. Also would like to know if there is a POW medal, I have his other medals of which there are 3. A 1939/45 Star, the Africa Star and War Medal 1939/45 Any help you can offer so we can pass down details for my children and remember my grandad would be very much appreciated. Thanks Jill xx
Thanks Steve, youve given me some great starting points and they are much appreciated, sorry I posted in the wrong spot, but lucky for me you seen it. Thanks again!
Hi, I'm in the process of researching for a book concerning the men of WWII who appear on my local war memorial. A few of those named died in POW camps. I apologise if this information has already been posted in this thread and/or on this forum but I could really do with a steer on how and where to locate any information that may be available on these men. Can anyone help? Regards Jeff
HI Jeff, wondering if you have had further success since your August posting? May I ask whether the men that you are researching were to die in POW camps in Europe? Australians? kindly, KK. (daughter of one lucky gunner and former POW Italy)
Message for jillsteele This may be late, but have only just come across this thread today, is this your relation?? UK, British Prisoners of War, 1939-1945 about G Sedgwick Name: G Sedgwick Rank: Gunner Army Number: 871287 Regiment: Royal Artillery POW Number: 139068 Camp Type: Stalag Camp Number: XI-B Camp Location: Fallingbostel, Lower Saxony Record Office: Royal Artillery (Heavy Anti-Aircraft) Record Office, St. Maries Hall, Dunchurch Road, Rugby Record Office Number: 43 Edited to add: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stalag_XI-B
Hi KK, I did have some luck since August although it came from a regimental museum and not this forum. I managed to find out about one of the men I am researching who had been taken at Tobruk and died two years later as a POW in Austria. All the men being researched are English and all appear on my local war memorial (see profile picture) Regards Jeff
Is there a central repository/database of the British and Canadian PWs online like the US NARA POW database? In particular the units that the individuals were assigned prior to capture. I have the names and service numbers of approximately 300 British and Canadian PWs that passed through or were liberated at Rennes Military Hospital (AKA Frontstalag 221 W, Zweilager Rennes, EPS Rennes, Stalag 221) and am attempting to associate names with units and where they ended up. My eventual goal is to create a website dedicated to the Hospital with as much detail about the Germans, PWs and French that were there.
Dale, There's this record at the National Archives that can be downloaded for free: WO 392/1: http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/SearchUI/s/res?_q=WO+392%2F1&_sd=&_ed= It lists all the POWs in Occupied Europe and gives their Regiment or Corps. This is the document that started this thread. The list of POW camps given is very inaccurate but should be sufficient regarding regiment or corps. If you want more detail on the men, including which battalion they served in, next of kin, etc. then an alternative approach would be to search for liberation questionnaires for them. Not all returning POWs completed these but around 50 to 60% of them did. As the POWs were all liberated from the same place it could be a case of all of them or none of them completed a liberation questionnaire depending on whether they passed through an IS9 interrogation centre or were repatriated immediately back to the UK. Seeing as this was a hospital then perhaps it's the latter case but probably worth doing a spot check on a few names if you're able to get to the National Archives at Kew. Lee
Thanks. I will start with that link. If I can get the regiment I am good. Edit: In looking at the file it appears to be dated 3/2/43 on the second page of the document which is too early for me. Is there one dated October 1944 or so which might have the guys I am looking for? I have looked for all the officers that were at the Rennes Military Hospital and none are on that list. The next later version of the list is not online and a copy would have to be ordered.
That list is supposed to date from September 1944. The date on page two I suspect is a badly written 3/2/93 as it seems to relate to the PRO (Public Record Office) rubber stamp and signature. That was probably the date the document was received by the Archives. There is an April 1945 edition of the list as well, files WO 392/11 to WO 392/20. But if you have a FindMyPast subscription or your local library has then this will probably meet your needs: http://www.findmypast.co.uk/search/military/indexes/ww2-prisoners-of-war/ (They don't actually say which records were used to compile their lists)
The Canadian Forces have their own POW list - I found this and a few others (unlisted) in the depths of the National Archives John
I saw that each of the Commonwealth nations had their own PW lists. Unfortunately none are online and none are searchable. The expense of getting these lists at 200+ pages would break the bank.
From the latest quotes I've been told TNA are charging £3.00 a page, so a 200 page document from them would likely cost you over £600.00. I provide digital photographs at £0.09 per page, so I'd charge £18.00 (that's less than $30 US) for a 200 page document. But wouldn't a number of your British POWs being listed in free September 1944 list or were they are captured too late to be listed in it?
I have looked through the free list for all of the officers and a smattering of enlisted with no hits. So I would say they were captured too late to make that list. Consider that is 3 months (June, July, August) from the earliest possible capture to the publishing date it is quite probable that the Germans communications through the Red Cross would take longer. I would assume that using the September 44 list as a guide that the April 45 list would be about 500 pages. Canadians would be say 200 pages.
I have just discovered this page and now intend to research my father's wartime history. My father was Captain (later, Major) John Charles Mertens a member of the Tyneside Territorials Blackwatch, Ist Regiment, 51st Highland division. My father was wounded and captured outside of Dunkirk. I have yet to check his Regimental details. That is his Service number and to which POW camps he was incarcerated in. I believe he was in one camp with Airey Neave MP (deceased). Before my father's death he mentioned several incidents relating to attempted escapes however he never mentioned the disasters leading up to Dunkirk. He was an engineer in civilian life and post war he spent nearly 5 years in Germany before immigrating to Australia.. Any advice gratefully received. Please note that I am living in Australia. Also somethings that may be of interest. I have one of the silk maps of Europe and Germany that were provided as scarves. More importantly I have a copy of "The Quill". It is collection of POW cartoons, stories, poems etc that was edited and produced as a limited edition after WW2. I also have a Brass Bowl that appears to be a racing trophy for yachting. 1946. Kiel' I can only suspect that it would have been for racing captured /confiscated German yachts by allied crews. If this all makes sense to anyone I'd appreciate some assistance in researching some of the topics and items mentioned above. Thank you Mike Mertens
Hello and welcome to the forum The 1940 section would be the best place deal with his BEF, pre-captivity service, perhaps you could start a thread there for that aspect. http://ww2talk.com/forums/forum/63-1940/ This from Ancestry: UK, British Prisoners of War, 1939-1945: Name: J C Mertens Rank: Lieutenant Army Number: 99148 Regiment: Black Watch POW Number: 326 Camp Type: Oflag Camp Number: IX-A/Z Camp Location: Rotenburg an der Fulda, Hesse