Pte 5889794 Edwin Humphreys Northamptonshire Regt

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  1. Roberts92

    Roberts92 Member

    I may have misinterpreted the extract you've sent but am I right in thinking Edwin was wounded (7th April 1943 L/foot) in the Battle of the Peaks but was it during the transfer of equipment or "touk is took" due to the Northamptons being on high ground?

    Regards.
     
  2. timuk

    timuk Well-Known Member

    BC = Battle Casualty

    Tim
    Edit. That's Battle Casualty as opposed to Sick, Accident etc.
    Entry at 30/10/43 where you have put ?L 146/43 is Casualty List 146/43
     
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  3. Roberts92

    Roberts92 Member

    Many thanks Tim, That does clarify a lot.
    I'm also wondering if this is why he was posted to Ylist in 1941, although I still haven't figured out which hospital he was admitted to on the 10th -

    ⦁ 10 November 1941
    --"-- | admitted to (?b?) hospital 10.11.1941 |

    ⦁ 1 December 1941
    --"-- | posted to Ylist (?wy?) |

    ⦁ 18 March 1942
    5th | Posted | pte(private)

    "The army ruling at one time was that if a soldier had been in hospital for 21 days or more he was put on the Y-list; which meant that when he became fit for duty he was sent to a holding unit and then could be sent to any unit other than his own. This, in most cases, was not a popular move which, I believe under the orders of General Montgomery, was changed. The ruling became that if a soldier was in hospital for 21 day when wounded or sick for 30 days he was entitled to seven days home sick leave and then would return to his own unit if they wished or could be transferred to another unit."

    BBC - WW2 People's War - I Nearly Lose It, Army Life - Part Three

    Regards
     
  4. timuk

    timuk Well-Known Member

    Records attached to Post 46:
    10/11/41 Admitted Boscombe Hospital.
    Boscombe is hospital at Bournemouth.

    Tim
     
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  5. Owen

    Owen -- --- -.. MOD

    Have no idea when on the 7th he was wounded.
    I posted that extract to give you some background info on the bigger picture of the 78th Division's activities.
    Hopefully other members will have the Northamptons regimental history & war diaries that can help .
     
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  6. Roberts92

    Roberts92 Member

    Thank you Tim I have been baffled by this entry! The writing is extremely difficult to interpret on some entries,
    could this entry be Discharge Cornwall?

    ⦁ 18 March 1942
    5th | Posted | pte(private)
    ⦁ reposted from ylist and taken as the strength of this unit wef (with effect from) 18.3/42 on discharge from mil? C? (cornwal?)

    & Owen, Thank you, A very interesting read, I shall just make a small note (*Battle of the Peaks) & attach said paper, next to 7th April entry for anybody else who may want to read up on Edwins history,

    Regards
     
  7. timuk

    timuk Well-Known Member

    18/3/42. Saw that before but made no comment as I couldn't make it out. Having looked again I think it says 'discharge from Mil Conval Depot, Westbury, Wilts'. Mil Conval meaning Military Convalescent. There was certainly one there in WW1 but I cannot trace it in WW2.

    Tim
     
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  8. Tricky Dicky

    Tricky Dicky Don'tre member

    BBC - WW2 People's War - My War

    From there I went to Westbury, which was a Convalescent Depot, to get me ready to go back into the Army again. We had coloured tags: red, yellow and white and when you got onto white, you were supposed to be fit.

    TD
     
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  9. Roberts92

    Roberts92 Member

    ⦁ 18 March 1942
    --"-- | reposted from ylist* and taken as the strength of this unit wef (with effect from) 18.3/42 on discharge from mil Conval (Military Convalescent) | Depot westbury Wilts |
    ⦁ 23 March 1942
    --"-- | granted sick leave .with R.A (Ration Allowance) 23.3.1942 - ?.4.1942 |
    ⦁ 15 October 1942
    --"-- | Embarked |

    mmm. and then granted sick leave, I assume a virus of some kind?

    Regards
     
  10. Roberts92

    Roberts92 Member

    Hospitals WW2 - Scarlet Finders

    ⦁ 13 April 1943
    X(ii)* | Tfr (transfer) 5.gen hosp. (Zeriser, General Hospital) 11.4.1943 tfr(transfer) 67 gen hosp. ( ? , General hospital ). |
    ⦁ 2 July 1943
    X(ii)* | tfr(transfer) 67 genhosp (?, General hospital) 13.4.43 tfr 103 Gen Hosp (Chateaudun, Algeria, Africa, General hospital) wef(with effect from) 2.7.1943 |


    Can anybody help with this entry please?

    I can not find a town Zeriser? could this be a misspelling?
    also I am struggling to pinpoint where 67 was located using the link above: I first thought Philippeville 7/43 to 2/44 but the entry is dated 13.4.43 so I'm a little confused

    67 British General Hospital
    Bridge of Earn 4/42 to 11/42 then overseas; Philippeville 7/43 to 2/44 then to Naples; Naples 2/44 to 4/45 then to Ghent; Ghent 4/45 to 6/45 then to Rendsburg; Rendsburg [list says 'Rensburg'] 6/45 to 18/9/46 then disbanded

    Regards.
     
  11. Owen

    Owen -- --- -.. MOD

    I found a casualty that was originally buried at Zeriser before being moved to Bone War Cemetery.
    Did some digging & found the village SE of Bone.
    >> Google Maps
    Zerizer - Wikipedia

    Zerizer.JPG
     
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  12. Roberts92

    Roberts92 Member

    ah, I see the spelling mistake is on the records, records Zeriser but town is Zerizer (2, Zs) .. I was searching the original spelling, Thank you Owen,

    Regards
     
  13. Roberts92

    Roberts92 Member

    "
    "contrary to ALL security aspects at the time which was in 1943 - I would remind all - that is was definitly Husky - on that brave assumption therefore I would hazard a guess that the 77 penceHRM was an allowance for Husky Road Maintenance"

    Regards
     
  14. Roberts92

    Roberts92 Member

    still looking around for a definitive H.R.M & I have noted throughout the forum many people have said their s/o had a trade or profession and beleive the HRM may be reflected as such,

    On a thread I found this file & was wondering if, HRM did correlate to a trade of some kind and could possible explain why Edwin was granted leave from Palestine with H.R.M / L.R (Lower rate )67? PD(Per Day) on 23/12/1944

    Regards.
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    Attached Files:

  15. Owen

    Owen -- --- -.. MOD

    Old thread may help,
    Help with locating Transit Camps and Base Depots.

    HRM = Higher Rate Messing
    LR = Local rate.
     
  16. Roberts92

    Roberts92 Member

    Thank you Owen, but am I right in think Edwin was part of the Royal Electrical & Mechanical Engineers workshop?

    Regards
     
  17. Owen

    Owen -- --- -.. MOD

    NO because it doesnt mention REME in his records.
    He was still with 2 Northants.
     
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  18. Roberts92

    Roberts92 Member

    So far, What we can make out then, is that Edwin was pretty wreckless and spent A LOT of his time wounded or sick ha ha.

    I aim to eventually post the file we're building on Edwin and hope to list as much as possible,

    All input and advice greatly appreciated,

    Regards
     
  19. Stuart Avery

    Stuart Avery In my wagon & not a muleteer.

    I'm on the case of obtaining the regimental history ( which costs a packet!) See my offer in post 56 & 57. Its proving a pain in the rear to get in contact with the chap who is selling a rather scarce book. I've scanned 20 pages of the 2nd battalions history regarding there time at Anzio. My resize app is not playing ball. Its rather not cricket & thats putting it politely. Lets hope that Andy comes up with the war diaries if he has them?

    Regards,
    Stu.
     
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  20. Stuart Avery

    Stuart Avery In my wagon & not a muleteer.

    W I A . My take is that it means Wounded in Action. (Not w/a (wounded at) Italy (sw.buttocks). My advise is to forget the SW in the backside. Its not relevant in my eyes. Another take of mine is that he was added to the casualty list No 146/43. CL is what I'm reading in his Service Records.

    Regards,
    Stu.
     
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