Remaining British Restaurant buildings

Discussion in 'United Kingdom' started by CL1, Dec 17, 2012.

  1. TTH

    TTH Senior Member

    How was the food? I mean, you hear of something called a "British restaurant" and you do wonder...
     
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  2. TTH

    TTH Senior Member

    Meat was the main shortage here. There was a huge black market for it.
     
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  3. CL1

    CL1 116th LAA and 92nd (Loyals) LAA,Royal Artillery

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  4. A-58

    A-58 Not so senior Member Patron

    Yes there’s always a black market in the making in desperate and trying times everywhere. Maybe that’s a good topic for a thread in the Homefront forums eh? That and how cheesy politicians and others sought to circumvent rationing for their own benefit maybe?
     
  5. Sheldrake

    Sheldrake All over the place....

    You are hitting on part of the answer to the one big question American's ask which is why did Britain reject Churchill in 1945 and elect a left wing Socialist government?
    The pressure of the war forced the government to become involved in huge areas of peoples lives. The population was a national resource mobilised for the war effort. Those in need could not be left to charity or on their own. Those bombed out of their houses needed to be housed, fed watered and provided with clothing. The injured were treated without regard for doctors bills. Damaged houses were repaired at a highly subsidised cost or free of charge. Wartime Britain was a command economy with resources directed towards military needs. Men and childless women were conscripted for military service or war work. You could not change your job without government permission. Wartime Britain was already half way towards a socialist state.
     
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  6. CL1

    CL1 116th LAA and 92nd (Loyals) LAA,Royal Artillery

    Although to be fair the British will moan about anything and change like the wind
    You tell them they have won 1 million pounds and will complain if you give them a cheque instead of cash
     
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  7. Shiny 9th

    Shiny 9th Member

    Remember too that people were working long hours sometimes a day job and another one in the Home Guard as in Dads Army.With many women in war work, the effort of queuing for food and preparing meals , cooking etc. took up valuable time so a reasonably priced meal from a restaurant helped make life bearable.
     
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  8. CL1

    CL1 116th LAA and 92nd (Loyals) LAA,Royal Artillery

    They were also used for other business

    BRITISH RESTAURANTS. Resolved : 152. That the following applications for the hire of British Restaurants be granted :— British Applicant. Restaurant. Dates. Purpose. Charge. Harrow Labour No. 2 1st June, 1942 Meeting Scale Party (South No. 2 Stanmore Ward)
    " C " Platoon No. 2 13th and 27th Whist Drives Scale No. 6 Company June, 1942
    No. 2 Home Guard Aerodrome No. 2 2nd, 9th, 16th, Whist Drives Scale Householders' 23rd and 30th June
    https://www2.harrow.gov.uk/Data/Council/19420718/Minutes/004_Emergency Committee_29 May 1942.pdf
     
  9. A-58

    A-58 Not so senior Member Patron

    That’s universal and not specific to Britain!
     
  10. A-58

    A-58 Not so senior Member Patron

    I always thought it was a bit much to run Churchill out of office during the Potsdam Conference like they did. That really gave Stalin the edge at the negotiating table with new replacements in for the US and the UK.
     
  11. Sheldrake

    Sheldrake All over the place....

    People are not always aware that Churchill as a leader of a coalition of all parties. Although the Conservatives (right wing) had a majority in the House of Commons, the (Socialist) Labour Party played a big part in the war effort.

    It was the support of the Labour party that led to Churchill as the leader of the national government. That was airbrushed out of the "Darkest Hour" film. Conservatives dominated the management of external affairs. Churchill was Prime Minister and Defence Minister. His foreign secretary was Halifax then Eden. The leader of the Labour Clement Atlee combined the roles of deputy PM and Leader of the Opposition, and chaired many of the key meetings in Churchill's absence. (According to Brooke, Atlee was a good committee chairman and business was conducted quickly and efficiently)

    The home affairs portfolio was largely run by Labour politicians. Labour's Herbert Morrison was the Home Secretary (Policing, Justice Civil Defence). Ernest Bevin (Head of the TUC - equivalent of the AFL -CIO) was Minister for Labour. The minister for Pensions was Ellen Wilkinson and left wing MP who had led the Jarrow Hunger March. Many of the decisions that affected people's lives were being made by Labour politicians, whose names would have been familiar to them. Ministers were also brought in from outside the party system. Canadian media mogul Max Aitkin, Lord Beaverbrook ran aircraft supply. The air minister, Archibald Sinclair was a Liberal and John Anderson an independent civil servant had several ministerial roles.

    In American terms this might be the equivalent of a Republican President forming a Cabinet from Democrats. GW Bush as President with Hillary Clinton in charge of Health, Barack Obama running homeland security and Bernie Saunders running social care.

    There was a debate throughout the war about what were Britain's war aims. What were Britons fighting for. Churchill wanted to return to the status quo of 1939. The left wanted to use this as an opportunity to create a better world where hunger marches and the workhouse were things of the past and where there was better education and health services. The older generation remembered the promises of a "Land Fit For Heroes. The Berveridge report published in 1942 was a blueprint for "cradle to the grave" support. 1942 Beveridge Report - UK Parliament
    The 1945 election was about this sort of thing.

    I don't think Stalin benefited from a Labour victory. Atlee's government was committed to the UN, joined NATO and took part in the Korean War. There was no love lost between the British Labour Party and assorted Communists, Marxists, Trots and Stalinists. One fight on the left of British politics has been between the extreme left attempting to infiltrate and take over the Labour party and the centre left exposing and expelling "entryists."
     
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  12. Tricky Dicky

    Tricky Dicky Don'tre member

    Wartime Restaurant Menu
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    Experiences of British Restaurants, 1940s WW2
    I didnt realise tokens were involved - almost seems futuristic for the time
    British Restaurant tokens
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    Example of British Restaurant tokens, courtesy of Malcolm Johnson. He reports that the top ones appear to be of a more brittle type of plastic than the others and are 3mm thick whereas the others are 2mm thick, There are more and larger examples on his Tokens website.


    TD

    Theres a mention above of spotted dick and custard - absolute yum


    Some examples
    The Wartime Kitchen and British Restaurants: Day Four - Black Pudding Hot-Pot Recipe
     
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  13. Tricky Dicky

    Tricky Dicky Don'tre member

    Just been checking that menu and I wonder what happened if

    You were vegan
    You were vegetarian
    Had nut allergies
    Had gluten allergies
    Had high chloresterol
    etc

    Is it therefore a sign of modern times that many of the allergies etc have only been discovered recently or diagnosed recently

    TD
     
  14. Sheldrake

    Sheldrake All over the place....

    The menu from Woolworth's canteen in Blackpool does not fully reflect the recipes offered. One of the most (in) famous dishes was Woolton Pie - a vegetarian dish
    [​IMG] There was usually plenty left....

    "Pork" Sausages might include a lot of soya beans - canned soya links were the norm in wartime military rations.

    There were vegetarians. Mohinder Gandhi was on the committee of the Vegetarian society when he studied in London at the end of the C19th.

    Food under rationing had much less fat and meat and a lot more vegetables. It was a healthier diet than before or in many cases since. Many of the foodstuffs offered in wartime were the sorts of things recommended as part of a healthy diet. All grain bread - nuts - lots of veg. The much hated tinned Snoek is an oily fish that will do much the same as statins.
     
  15. Shiny 9th

    Shiny 9th Member

    My mother had vegetarian rations in the war because you got much more cheese, and shared it with her parents ordinary rations, so they got the best of all words. Not sure vegans were catered for.Most people were for meat and two veg.
     

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