Service Women's War Grave Photos for reference (previously titled FAO Tonym)

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  1. CL1

    CL1 116th LAA and 92nd (Loyals) LAA,Royal Artillery Patron

    Stewardess SEYMOUR, ESTHER
    Died 27/02/1916

    Aged 40

    S.S. "Maloja" (Belfast)
    Mercantile Marine

    Born in London.

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  2. Tricky Dicky

    Tricky Dicky Don'tre member

    England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1858-1966, 1973-1995
    Name: Esther Seymour
    Death Date: 27 Feb 1916
    Death Place: Middlesex, England
    Probate Date: 27 Mar 1916
    Registry: London, England

    UK and Ireland, Find A Grave Index, 1300s-Current
    Name: Stewardess Esther Seymour
    Birth Place: Greater London, England
    Death Date: 27 Feb 1916
    Cemetery: Tower Hill Memorial
    Burial or Cremation Place: London Borough of Tower Hamlets, Greater London, England
    Has Bio?: Y

    Casualty of the Great War, Esther was a Stewardess serving in the Mercantile Marine on the S.S. "Maloja" (Belfast)P&O Liner which was mined off Dover.
    She was 40.
    Born in London.

    She may also have a civilian death certificate, although the details of her age below are 10 years out, the registration of her death in March 1916 at Dover would seem to fit, so her age may just be a transcribing error.

    Esther Seymour in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007
    Name: Esther Seymour
    Death Age: 50
    Birth Date: abt 1866
    Registration Date: Mar 1916
    Registration district: Dover
    Inferred County: Kent
    Volume: 2a
    Page: 1605


    edited to add:
    SS Maloja - Wikipedia
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  3. CL1

    CL1 116th LAA and 92nd (Loyals) LAA,Royal Artillery Patron

    Aircraftwoman 2nd Class COLLIER, MAY ELIZABETH
    Service Number 478941

    Died 27/06/1944

    Aged 23

    Women's Auxiliary Air Force

    Daughter of Joshua Edmund and Elizabeth Mabel Collier. of Walthamstow.

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  4. Tricky Dicky

    Tricky Dicky Don'tre member

    UK and Ireland, Find A Grave Index, 1300s-Current
    Name: May Elizabeth Collier
    Birth Date: 1920
    Birth Place: Essex, England
    Death Date: 27 Jun 1944
    Cemetery: Walthamstow Cemetery (Queens Road)
    Burial or Cremation Place: Walthamstow, London Borough of Waltham Forest, Greater London, England
    Has Bio?: Y

    Birth: 1920
    Essex, England
    Death: Jun. 27, 1944
    Casualty of WWII,May was an Aircraftwoman 2nd Class; in the Women's Auxiliary Air Force;Service No:478941

    She was 23 and the daughter of Joshua Edmund and Elizabeth Mabel Collier of Walthamstow.
    She was killed by enemy action. Interred in the grave of her brother "Sonny" Collier who died in 1925.

    England & Wales, Civil Registration Birth Index, 1916-2005
    Name: May E Collier
    Mother's Maiden Surname: Crafts
    Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1920
    Registration district: West Ham
    Inferred County: Essex, Suffolk
    Volume Number: 4a
    Page Number: 880

    England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1858-1966, 1973-1995
    Name: May Elizabeth Collier
    Death Date: 27 Jun 1944
    Death Place: Essex, England
    Probate Date: 22 Aug 1944
    Registry: Llandudno
    The probate records that she died at 125 Fulham Road South Kensington, presume an air raid?

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  5. Kaeli

    Kaeli New Member

    I'm just curious, who took these photo's, and do the parents know ?
  6. CL1

    CL1 116th LAA and 92nd (Loyals) LAA,Royal Artillery Patron

    A forum member took the photos.
  7. Kaeli

    Kaeli New Member

    I was mainly wondering if the parents knew it was posted up here ? or do people just go around finding graves to take pictures of then submit them here
  8. spidge


    Kaeli, This particular thread honours all women that have died in service. Army, Air Force, Navy, Nurses etc.
  9. CL1

    CL1 116th LAA and 92nd (Loyals) LAA,Royal Artillery Patron

    We dont just go around taking pictures you will notice from this section War Grave Photographs it covers many aspects of casualties in service.

    Can I ask the reason for your query
  10. Kaeli

    Kaeli New Member

    yes, I'm aware of that thanks :)

    I was just wondering if any permissions from family members, for example. for posting up the pictures, or if they where just taken and posted up, I think i said that in my original post,
    but now with your reply I'm a bit more confused about it all. if it's not just someone taking pictures if they see a grave, is there a list given out for people to go to particular places ? also, I did think this was for WW2 things ?
  11. dbf

    dbf Moderatrix MOD

    Hi and welcome to the forum,

    You see, a lot of us reading this are just as confused by your question, especially by its generality.

    Are you actually only asking about that one specific post-war casualty?

    Or is it about all images of WW2 headstones?
    The parents of service personnel who died during WW2 will also be deceased, so it's not a question of asking their permission. Many other relatives come on the forum either asking for help in obtaining images of graves they are unable to visit or to thank members for having shared them already. George Lysaght Hosford Steede, Rafvr
    The majority of forum members also have relatives who served/died in the war, (some have themselves served in the forces post-war), and have received images taken by others; they return a favour in a general way via the forum. On the forum there have been single requests, long specific lists and general appeals for help.

    Or, are you asking because you want to know if - generally speaking - all relatives of all deceased persons have to be traced and then asked, before an image of their relative's grave can ever be posted?
    If so, I don't think that'd ever be practical.

    Perhaps you are asking about lists "given out" and procedures because you're thinking of offering help, either here or elsewhere?

    By way of further background this particular thread was started because one of our members Tonym - himself a WW2 veteran, sadly now deceased - asked elsewhere on the forum for help with his 'Service Women' commemorative research. He had such a wide area of research that I don't recall him offering up a list as such - he simply accepted whatever was offered by way of help whether it was images of memorials, graves, relevant war diary entries, newspaper notices, etc - all for the purpose, as you have gathered, of remembering those who gave their lives. Contributions continue to be posted also to honour in some small way what he started.

    It might have WW2 in the title but this forum isn't all about WW2. Many members' interests go beyond that boundary, in one direction or another. :) That's why we also have Pre- and Post WW2 sub-forums.
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  12. CL1

    CL1 116th LAA and 92nd (Loyals) LAA,Royal Artillery Patron

    hello Kaeli

    just to give you an idea of what members also do is the thread here
    CWGC Headstone/Memorial Error Reports and results.

    You will see even from myself that I have reported many issues to the Commonwealth War Graves Commission.
    The name misspelling,worn headstones ,broken headstone even lost graves.You will notice from the replies of CWGC they are grateful for the assistance because their resources are very limited.
    WW1 is now almost beyond living memory bar a few people who were children during that period
    WW2 will one day be thus as will other conflicts post WW2
    We do this to Remember all casualties.
    We do not want to upset anyone at all.
    If a family member is unhappy about a particular post on the forum the moderators will be happy to help.If this is your case please send them a private message.
    We would like to keep this thread as per the heading.

    You will see from my next post a WW1 casualty whose name over the past one hundred years has eroded from the headstone.
    CWGC have now replaced with a new commemoration stone.

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  13. CL1

    CL1 116th LAA and 92nd (Loyals) LAA,Royal Artillery Patron

    New commemoration stone laid

    Died 04/04/1916

    Aged 24

    Lewisham Military Hospital
    Voluntary Aid Detachment

    Daughter of Edwin Matthew and Rebecca Goodman.


    Location: Middlesex, United Kingdom
    Number of casualties: 58

    Cemetery/memorial reference: Sec. 22. Grave 3692.
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  14. Kaeli

    Kaeli New Member

    Oh I wasn't meaning to cause friction, this looks like a nice way to remember people etc, I do admit at first i was a bit taken aback with the one I posted about, as this was my Niece (almost little sister as my Sister brought me up) as she's never said anything I was wondering if she knew it was here - I don't want to message her about it if she didn't know as we have had a few "enquiries" over facebook by a couple of women in the past wanting to know all the details etc, which we thought was a bit distasteful ( not implying that this is, this is a whole different thing)
    but i was wondering about posting up if I ever came across any, or if that would be inappropriate, or whether there where certain people that did this or if anyone just posted them
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  15. dbf

    dbf Moderatrix MOD

    Thanks for your explanation. None of us would ever want to intrude on anyone's grief. We merely wish to ensure that as many casualties as possible are remembered - as more than names on a list - and that relatives can find help if they want it. Quite often this forum has been of assistance to relatives who never knew what happened, whose 'family stories' became distorted over time or who can't visit graves.

    However to confirm, in general terms, headstone images are accepted from any volunteer by the forum and indeed by numerous other websites which might specialise in units, local memorials, nationalities, campaigns, war graves, genealogy, commemoration research, etc, etc.

    If your sister gets upset, even by our good intentions, please let us know.
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  16. CL1

    CL1 116th LAA and 92nd (Loyals) LAA,Royal Artillery Patron

    Section Office rEASTON, JOAN MARJORIE
    Service Number 2986

    Died 08/09/1943

    Women's Auxiliary Air Force

  17. Tricky Dicky

    Tricky Dicky Don'tre member

    England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007
    Name: Joan M Easton
    Death Age: 26
    Birth Date: abt 1917
    Registration Date: Sep 1943
    Registration district: Ely
    Inferred County: Cambridgeshire

    Volume: 3b
    Page: 515

    1939 England and Wales Register
    Name: Joan M Easton
    Gender: Female
    Marital Status: Married
    Birth Date: 30 May 1917
    Residence Year: 1939
    Address: 32
    Residence Place: Bexley, Kent, England
    Occupation: S/Hand Typist
    Schedule Number: 155
    Sub Schedule Number: 3
    Enumeration District: CJFC
    Registration district: 43-1.

    UK and Ireland, Find A Grave Index, 1300s-Current
    Name: Section Officer Joan Marjorie Easton
    Birth Date: 1917
    Death Date: 8 Sep 1943
    Cemetery: Charlton Cemetery
    Burial or Cremation Place: Charlton, Royal Borough of Greenwich, Greater London, England
    Has Bio?: Y

    Joan was born in Woolwich in 1917-she is buried with her brother who died in 1941 whilst on active service.
    Joan was killed at Sutton, Surrey whilst going to the rescue of the crew of a Stirling III BK809/T bomber which crashed on take-off striking a petrol bowser and burst into flames.The captain and RAF air bomber lost their lives in the crash, while three of the other five crew were injured, including the flight engineer, who later died also. An RNZAF navigator of the Squadron, helping out with harvesting on a nearby farm while on leave, also rushed to the scene to assist, but he and Joan died in the blast when some of the bombs exploded. Two civilians also died, while others were injured. The two New Zealanders are buried at Cambridge.

    :poppy: Rest in peace brave lady :poppy:
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  18. Sharonem

    Sharonem Hypnotherapist

    This is the grave of my children’s great great aunt on their dads side. Thank you,for sharing as the living family didn’t know where Mollys grave was so it can now be visited. Molly was from Upchurch near a Rainham in a Kent and had one sister the late Kathleen (Kate) Coveney.
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  19. Sharonem

    Sharonem Hypnotherapist

    Thank you for posting this, it isn’t the grave of my children’s great great aunt Molly from Upchurch near a Rainham Kent Uk, the sister of their great nan Kathleen Coveney
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  20. PaulC

    PaulC IFCP Volunteer


    Service Number W/102042
    Died 11/12/1942
    Aged 20
    Auxiliary Territorial Service
    Daughter of James and Alice Pugh, of Birmingham.

    Location: Warwickshire, United Kingdom
    Number of casualties: 690
    Cemetery/memorial reference: Sec. 42. Grave 5828.


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