Visiting main Russian front battlefields?

Discussion in 'WW2 Battlefields Today' started by deadb_tch, Nov 25, 2007.

  1. Gerard

    Gerard Seelow/Prora

    what is that Freebird???
     
  2. freebird

    freebird Senior Member

    what is that Freebird???

    A Tortoise! A 78 ton monster designed by the British 1943-1945, but 6 pilot models only completed in '45 & too late for the war. 11" thick armour designed to withstand a direct hit from any known German antitank gun, the Tortoise had a 32 pounder (94mm) high velocity cannon that could punch though a Tiger's or Panther's frontal armour. Even with a 600 hp meteor it could only make 11 mph. (But of course if you run into anti tank guns you don't have to stop) :lol:
     
  3. Gerard

    Gerard Seelow/Prora

    LOL!! thanks for the info mate. Looks like a beaut of a tank alright!!
     
  4. freebird

    freebird Senior Member

    The development was on the slow track because they thought it was too slow & heavy to be effective. Just imagine how useful it would have been to push through the Jagdpanthers that were blocking the road in "Market Garden"!!
     
  5. deadb_tch

    deadb_tch the deadliest b#tch ever

    I flew on Areoflot, Vancouver-Moscow-Kiev. I think they even have Valentine tanks in Kubinka, most of the Russian ones were built here in Canada. It seems that the Russian army liked the Valentine but not the Grant tank (coffin for 7 brothers!)

    Hey yo :) But how much it costs - a ticket from Vancouver to Moscow ;), i've heard that from usa its $600 to Moscow :)
     
  6. von Poop

    von Poop Adaministrator Admin

    Yes true, but some are worse than others... If I had to be in a tank (or AFV) I'd rather be in this one.
    Yes, plenty of space to hang out your washing, you could probably even fit a full-size bathtub in there. ;)

    If anyone gets the urge to visit an A39 Tortoise there's still one at Bovington... The finest tank collection in the world. :p


    Kubinka's been on the list for years, does sound like it's still something of a bureaucratic nightmare to get into though. There was a brief glimpse recently of a more 'developed' and friendly museum website which I'd hoped would signal some loosening up of access but then the site reverted to it's usual one so presumably it was just a test.

    Cheers,
    Adam.
     
  7. Gerard

    Gerard Seelow/Prora

    Kubinka would be a great place for the first WW2 talk members excursion in 2008!
     
  8. von Poop

    von Poop Adaministrator Admin

    My brother wants our little group of tank-nerds to visit for his 40th birthday... I have some doubts we will achieve this admirable goal, and if we did I fear we would be turned away at the gate as happened to one friends brother after months of careful planning. :huh:
     
  9. deadb_tch

    deadb_tch the deadliest b#tch ever

    Gotthard Heinrici and Von Poop, from my unprofessional point of view to visit Kubinka is not a big problem. As wrote earlier u need visa, tickets and good guide to help u move from Moscow to Kubinka and back and also help u with translations ;) From myself it'll be great to visit Kubinka too. :)
    If you ever need I can provide u a possible help to get to Kubinka ;) or even in my province to see diorama ;)

    Von Poop, why one of your mates have been turned away at the gate? What happened?

    BTW, have you been in Central Museum of Great Patriotic War 1941-1945 in Moscow on Poklonnaya Gora?

    PS:
    Unfortunely all russian museums suffering of lack of finance flows to support it's collections and pay employees. Only museums where u always can meet foreigner is well financed (like Moscow museums, St. Petersburg's) - other is trying to be alive by any possible means, but u know from economics that museum mostly is non-profit organization :). As I noticed on photos Kubinka now is not well financed and not good organized (and website structure very poor :) any russian student will build a better site) - look like negligent painted some vehicles :) Don't consider my words like it's a recourse to donate money or food :D to that museum, no :) I just explained how it can be :))
    Plus, also bureaucracy in Russia is a hell on earth .. :( damn government ..
     
  10. 4th wilts

    4th wilts Discharged

    great stuff.yours very sincerely,lee.
     
  11. Capt.Sensible

    Capt.Sensible Well-Known Member

    My brother wants our little group of tank-nerds to visit for his 40th birthday... I have some doubts we will achieve this admirable goal, and if we did I fear we would be turned away at the gate as happened to one friends brother after months of careful planning. :huh:
    Mmmmmm..the map shows Kubinka to be about 30km west of Moscow on the A100, possibly taxi distance for a group of tw@ts. BA are quoating about £150 for a mid-week return flight. A flying visit doesn't seem ridiculously expensive or impractical. Local 'fixer' might be useful, eh deadb_tch? ;)
     
  12. deadb_tch

    deadb_tch the deadliest b#tch ever

    Mmmmmm..the map shows Kubinka to be about 30km west of Moscow on the A100, possibly taxi distance for a group of tw@ts. BA are quoating about £150 for a mid-week return flight. A flying visit doesn't seem ridiculously expensive or impractical. Local 'fixer' might be useful, eh deadb_tch? ;)
    Yeah ;) it can be done. It will be double pleasure to meet some new guys and visit that museum :). :cowboy_125:
     
  13. deadb_tch

    deadb_tch the deadliest b#tch ever

    BTW, don't u think I can host some topic where u can ask me of myths about Russia ;) and I can answer u about it :)))
     
  14. freebird

    freebird Senior Member

    Hey yo :) But how much it costs - a ticket from Vancouver to Moscow ;), i've heard that from usa its $600 to Moscow :)
    $600 Is from New York or Toronto I think. I paid about $1,150 for the ticket Vancouver-Moscow-Kiev and return.

    If the UK members are planning a trip, it must be nice to be able to just jaunt over for the weekend for 150 pounds!
     
  15. deadb_tch

    deadb_tch the deadliest b#tch ever

    $600 Is from New York or Toronto I think. I paid about $1,150 for the ticket Vancouver-Moscow-Kiev and return.

    If the UK members are planning a trip, it must be nice to be able to just jaunt over for the weekend for 150 pounds!

    Wow! Thousand bucks! Damn :) This is expensive.. :huh:

    I think they need more then 150 euros - i can forecast that they need additional 100 euros (maybe less but JIC) for transfers from Moscow to Kubinka and back. ;)

    I've to notice that there in Russia are strange (for me and not only me) 'tradition' to take from foreigner a double or even 3x price, they who do this explain that foreigner have better ability to pay (because 1 us dollar is 25 russian roubles, or 1 euro is 35 roubles). such 'tradition' is everywhere - just show that u r from europe or usa.. So, to browse :) Russia is better to have approved guide that can help to avoid exhaustion of ur money :) in some cases.
     
  16. freebird

    freebird Senior Member

    Wow! Thousand bucks! Damn :) This is expensive.. :huh:

    I think they need more then 150 euros - i can forecast that they need additional 100 euros (maybe less but JIC) for transfers from Moscow to Kubinka and back. ;)

    I've to notice that there in Russia are strange (for me and not only me) 'tradition' to take from foreigner a double or even 3x price, they who do this explain that foreigner have better ability to pay (because 1 us dollar is 25 russian roubles, or 1 euro is 35 roubles). such 'tradition' is everywhere - just show that u r from europe or usa.. So, to browse :) Russia is better to have approved guide that can help to avoid exhaustion of ur money :) in some cases.

    You are right about that, travellers need to be careful not to be scammed. Always ask the price of the taxi BEFORE you get in! :unsure:
     
  17. deadb_tch

    deadb_tch the deadliest b#tch ever

    You are right about that, travellers need to be careful not to be scammed. Always ask the price of the taxi BEFORE you get in! :unsure:

    Yep ;) This is a rule for all travellers around the world :D

    BTW, this is mylocation :-D
    belgorod - Êàðòû Google
     
  18. deadb_tch

    deadb_tch the deadliest b#tch ever

    Found some non-site fotos from Kubinka :)
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  19. deadb_tch

    deadb_tch the deadliest b#tch ever

    BTW again :) As written on one of official sites (damn them all) of museum in Kubinka to visit it a foreigner have to send a request (with approximate day) for visit before 3(!!) months of actual time of visit (u also have to send them ur passport information), after approval u'll get 1 month permission to visit Kubinka. Damn bureaucracy!!! But it's still possible to get there, fortunately :-D. Museum works wed, thu, fri, sat, sun from 10-30 till 17-00 (so only 7 hours to watch whole museum, might be needed 2 visits, day by day).
    And jfyi in my museum of tank battle at Kurskaya Duga there are no such damn rules :)
     
  20. Capt.Sensible

    Capt.Sensible Well-Known Member

    Excellent photos! Good to see the Hitlerists actually loosing a battle for a change. That T70 looks especially nice. Kubinka sounds like a minimum 2 day event, but probably not before Spring!

    H
     

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